The home of intelligent horse racing discussion
The home of intelligent horse racing discussion

Historical photo – any ideas?

Home Forums Horse Racing Historical photo – any ideas?

Viewing 17 posts - 18 through 34 (of 169 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1113781
    Avatar photoDrone
    Participant
    • Total Posts 6161

    That’s lovely footage from York, thanks. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the infield Course Enclosure so packed and it’s interesting to see the trees significantly smaller than they are today on the far-side Tadcaster Road bank

    The jockey’s a smirking Charlie Smirke, I’m convinced

    here’s a pic

    http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODYyWDUxMg==/z/VA8AAOSwbqpTvAGx/$_57.JPG

    #1113857
    Norrette
    Participant
    • Total Posts 24

    The jockey’s a smirking Charlie Smirke, I’m convinced

    here’s a pic

    http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/ODYyWDUxMg==/z/VA8AAOSwbqpTvAGx/$_57.JPG

    I’m leaning that way too. Eyebrows close together, and I’ve seen other pics of him online which are a fair match – will sort them out later.

    Moehat, I might just do that – do you have a website or contact email for them?

    #1114050
    moehat
    Participant
    • Total Posts 9924

    I just googled George Moore to see if there was any mention of his father training on the website [there wasn’t]; I then spent ages on rightmove looking at little properties in Middleham and fantasising about living there #butnotinwinter!

    #1114071
    Avatar photoivanjica
    Participant
    • Total Posts 817

    I found some photos of Charlie Smirke in a book I have about Windsor Lad’s owner and I have to say the jockey in this photo does not look like Smirke – different nose.

    I will keep digging.

    #1114149
    TimJames
    Participant
    • Total Posts 313

    The name of the jockey is Jacques ‘Jacko’ Doyasbere riding one of Monsieur Leon Volterra’s horses. Here’s another picture of him
    UnknownJockey
    Thanks to George Wheeler at Jockeypedia for supplying me the information and the scanned image above.

    #1114294
    Avatar photoHimself
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3777

    Too late , now that the jockey in question has been named.

    My guess was Harry Carr riding Woodflower.

    Aw well .

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #1114295
    Avatar photoDrone
    Participant
    • Total Posts 6161

    The name of the jockey is Jacques ‘Jacko’ Doyasbere riding one of Monsieur Leon Volterra’s horses. Here’s another pichture of him
    UnknownJockey

    Great stuff! This three-pipe problem is nearly solved…which Volterra horse was it and which race?

    #1114329
    apracing
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3963

    I can tell you (via the Glasgow herald newspaper archive) that J Doyasbere rode in the Galtres Stakes at York on Friday August 27th, 1948.

    The print on this page of the archive is badly blurred, but the name of the horse begins with ‘D’ and includes the characters ‘stel’ – overall the name is something like D***stel****. It’s possible the final four characters are a separate word, maybe Maid or Miss. Definitely a filly as set to carry 8st 4lbs, whilst the colts have 8st 9lbs.

    Unfortunately the archive doesn’t include any copies of the papers from Saturdays, so unable to check the result, but that’s the only time the jockeys name appears at the Ebor meeting in either 1947 or 1948.

    Just a thought, but if that woman following is connected with the horse – i.e. she’s French – that might explain the clothes and bag!

    #1114377
    Venusian
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1665

    Yes, those certainly look like Madame Volterra’s colours.

    Here’s a link to a picture of her Derby winner, Phil Drake with jockey in colours (presumably Freddie Palmer).

    http://www.segaspicturegallery.co.uk/phil-drake—horse-racing-photograph-216-07-113001-p.asp

    Also, Donatellina, not a dissimilar name to Apracing’s “D***stel****” ran 2nd in the Galtres Stakes in 1948.

    Donatellina won a race in France, so I assume was French-trained as UK trainers very rarely sent horses over there to run.

    #1114402
    apracing
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3963

    Found another source that has provided an outline result for the race mentioned above. It names the ‘French challenger Donatellina’ as finishing second in the 1948 Galtres Stakes behind Pretexte. Donatellina was a 20-1 chance.

    The oddity is that this source gives the rider as T Lowery.

    As an aside, Jacques Doyasbere did ride the 1948 Derby runner-up for Madame Volterra on Royal Drake.

    #1114511
    Avatar photostevecaution
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 8241

    I found this model showing the Volterra colours. The stripes are red according to this site:-

    http://www.lilliputworld.co.uk/products/britains-racing-colours-famous-owners-mme-volterra

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #1114762
    Venusian
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1665

    The model’s colours look wrong, one stripe too many – see the OP’s picture and my picture of Volterra’s of Phil Drake’s jockey.

    #1114765
    slewman99
    Participant
    • Total Posts 5

    Mme Suzy Volterra’s silks were basically White with two red hoops, white sleeves and cap. She won the Arc in the 1960’s with her horse Topyo.

    #1114768
    Norrette
    Participant
    • Total Posts 24

    Wow, a breakthrough. Although I would have thought it was nearer midsummer looking at the shadows…. However I’ve checked the newspaper archive using this search for Donatella : http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1948-08-01/1948-08-31?BasicSearch=donatellina&ExactSearch=False&SomeSearch=donatellina&SortOrder=dayearly and found quite a few entries. A couple as this pic shows mention a T Lowry in brackets – is that the trainer? (Now this shows how much I know about the sport of kings :-( )

    27Aug1948

    #1114769
    apracing
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3963

    Norette,

    No, it means T Lowery was the rider, so presumably J Doyasbere never arrived at York in time. The fact that the name Doyasbere appeared in the paper doesn’t actually mean he was ever intended or expected to ride. In those days, you didn’t have to name your jockey until 45 minutes prior to the start of the race and anything in the morning paper would just be their best guess.

    On the basis that Doyasbere had ridden for the owner previously that summer (the 1948 Derby as I mentioneed earlier), their guess seems reasonable. But as I’m sure you can imagine, travelling from Paris to York in 1948 would have been quite an effort for just one ride on a 20/1 outsider!

    #1114770
    Venusian
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1665

    The first frame shows Jacko Doyasbere as being booked to ride Donatellina in the Galtres on the day of the race, but the second shows the actual result, where Tommy Lowrey is down as being the jockey. Maybe Doyasbere got held up getting over from France?

    Tommy Lowrey was a jockey, not a trainer. He won the 1946 Derby on Airborne.

    Joe Sime, rider of the winner Pretexte, was the leading northern-based jockey for many years.

    #1114771
    Norrette
    Participant
    • Total Posts 24

    Thanks both, I think we’re getting closer, I think we have definitely identified my jockey, although perhaps not my horse. I too got sidetracked with the Derby of that year as Doyasbere was on Royal Drake, and the sailor in summer 1948 was on his way from HMS Bruce to HMS Drake (Plymouth shore base). This would have been reason enough for the picture to be set up (also Sailors Guide would have been good too)

    Eventually I’m going to have to go to the British library and trawl through 2 years of the Northern Echo – but it would be nice to tie it down to a particular month.

Viewing 17 posts - 18 through 34 (of 169 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.