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  • #389328
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    So Seabass can qualify because of a third in a poor 3 mile chase at Thurles, whereas 2001 winner Red Marauder would not have been allowed to line up ?

    This is typical BHA – one run short of a handicap.

    22 year olds should not be allowed to run. :lol:

    Don’t you think Mark, that had Red Marauder been in danger of not being able to run – connections would’ve made sure some time before the race by running in the right type of races

    to qualify

    ?

    Changes to the rules stop non stayers from taking part. Something which will increase competitiveness and can only be good for the race.

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    #389331
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    22-3011 ACCORDING TO PETE 11 Peter Nelson Malcolm Jefferson
    F-6041U ALFA BEAT (IRE) 8 Irvin Naylor John Hanlon IRE
    2113-1P ALWAYS RIGHT (IRE) 10 John Wade John Wade
    041-044 ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 11 Mr & Mrs Peter James Douglas Peter Bowen
    2-FU111 APT APPROACH (IRE) 9 Greenstar Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
    P/5000-P BACKSTAGE (FR) 10 MPR & Capranny Syndicate Gordon Elliott IRE
    2F-0511 CALGARY BAY (IRE) 9 Camilla Radford Henrietta Knight
    3F2P/-13 CAPPA BLEU (IRE) 10 William & Angela Rucker Evan Williams
    10-U303 CHICAGO GREY (IRE) 9 John Earls Gordon Elliott IRE
    3/5P-230 COOLDINE (IRE) 10 Jackie Mullins Willie Mullins IRE
    3/P22-12 GILES CROSS (IRE) 10 KCMS Partnership Victor Dartnall
    131/321- JUNIOR 9 Middleham Park Racing LI David Pipe
    F-03034 KILLYGLEN (IRE) 10 David McCammon Stuart Crawford IRE
    235/3/1-P MASSINI’S MAGUIRE (IRE) 11 Alan Peterson David Pipe
    115-F31 MIDNIGHT CHASE 10 Lady Clarke Neil Mulholland
    63F/-52P MON MOME (FR) 12 Vida Bingham Venetia Williams
    14P1-B1 ON HIS OWN (IRE) 8 Andrea & Graham Wylie Willie Mullins IRE
    F01/35-2 PLANET OF SOUND 10 Charles Lloyd-Baker Philip Hobbs
    U5351-5 PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 9 Andrea & Graham Wylie Willie Mullins IRE
    PU-3450 RARE BOB (IRE) 10 D A Syndicate Dessie Hughes IRE
    1U3043 ROBERTO GOLDBACK (IRE) 10 Seamus Dunne Dessie Hughes IRE
    //U1/2B/1- ROULEZ COOL 9 Robert Waley-Cohen Robert Waley-Cohen
    363144 SCOTSIRISH (IRE) 11 Double R Stables Syndicate Willie Mullins IRE
    F11/-111 SEABASS (IRE) 9 Gunners Syndicate Ted Walsh IRE
    000-112 SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM (IRE) 8 Liam Breslin Nicky Henderson
    03F-30P SUNNYHILLBOY (IRE) 9 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill
    2313P2 SWING BILL (FR) 11 David Johnson David Pipe
    13-P031 SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 9 J P McManus Jonjo O’Neill
    3/216-B4 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 11 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE
    312U5/5- THE PACKAGE 9 David Johnson David Pipe
    140310 UNCLE JUNIOR (IRE) 11 Mrs M McMahon Willie Mullins IRE
    0044B-2 VIC VENTURI (IRE) 12 J P Dunne Dessie Hughes IRE

    My current shortlist.

    #389332
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    "short" list? :? :lol:

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    #389333
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    Do we need two threads on the National?

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    #389336
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    So Seabass can qualify because of a third in a poor 3 mile chase at Thurles, whereas 2001 winner Red Marauder would not have been allowed to line up ?

    This is typical BHA – one run short of a handicap.

    22 year olds should not be allowed to run. :lol:

    Don’t you think Mark, that had Red Marauder been in danger of not being able to run – connections would’ve made sure some time before the race by running in the right type of races

    to qualify

    ?

    Changes to the rules stop non stayers from taking part. Something which will increase competitiveness and can only be good for the race.

    They’ve given trainers a few months to ensure their horses are qualified under the new rules.

    And finishing third in a race at Thurles does not prove you’re a stayer.

    #389346
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    Changing the subject slightly but:

    Are we sure Always Waining has got the three-mile+ qualification?

    Didn’t they retire State Of Play after last year’s National?

    Answers, please!

    FLD

    BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social

    So don't run, just like the others always do

    #389350
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    FLD, I remember thinking the same about Always Waining after his 2010 Topham win, but if I recalled correctly he won a 3 miler 4 or 5 years ago……….cause I had a lumpy wee bet on Puntal that day. :shock:

    I think the plan with State of Play is the same as last year, kept fresh until Aintree. He’s been my day of the race bet the last 3 years. I’ll probably do the same this year, he’s not let me down so far.

    #389355
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    Always Waining has won over 3 miles+ on 3 occasions.

    And Venture to Cognac is spot on re. State of Play.

    #389357
    fivelongdays
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    Cheers, chaps.

    I’ve always had four each way for the National…I’ve got three (Shakalakaboomboom, Giles Cross, and Prince De Beauchene), and I can’t make up my mind between those two. Erk.

    BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social

    So don't run, just like the others always do

    #389358
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    Horses for courses.

    #389359
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    See, this where I get a bit confused…

    AW has won the Topham, twice. He’s never gone in a National, though, and he looks as if he might prefer the shorter trip.

    On the other hand, SOP has ran admirably and placed in three consecutive Nationals, but he’s never looked like winning. There’s no question that he can do a job and he certainly gets the trip well enough, though.

    Add to that the fact it looks as if they’ll be carrying similar weights and they’re at the same price…no wonder I need a bit of a lie down.

    FLD

    BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social

    So don't run, just like the others always do

    #389369
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    Cheers, chaps.

    I’ve always had four each way for the National…I’ve got three (Shakalakaboomboom, Giles Cross, and Prince De Beauchene), and I can’t make up my mind between those two. Erk.

    Shakalakaboomboom is a lay for me. Doubt very much he’ll stay. Reminds me of Cloudy Lane as a 3 miler who empties shortly after, and i place laid CL for the National when he was favourite for much of the time.
    That and being a stone higher since Punchestown – can’t have him.

    Think Mullins has the winner in his stable

    Hector’s Choice is interesting but has not yet qualified – farcical

    #389372
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    See, this where I get a bit confused…

    AW has won the Topham, twice. He’s never gone in a National, though, and he looks as if he might prefer the shorter trip.

    On the other hand, SOP has ran admirably and placed in three consecutive Nationals, but he’s never looked like winning. There’s no question that he can do a job and he certainly gets the trip well enough, though.

    Add to that the fact it looks as if they’ll be carrying similar weights and they’re at the same price…no wonder I need a bit of a lie down.

    FLD

    Well State of Play IMO just isn’t good enough for a National. He’ll get round and finish in the top 6 but where’s the fun in that?

    I doubt Always Waining is good enough either but at least he’s got superb course form (3 wins at Aintree) and he’s also an unknown quantity.

    #389386
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    They did say they wouldn’t run State of Play again, so I was surprised to hear a few weeks ago that he was running again; also thought Black Apalachi had been retired. Although he probably won’t get into the race, I’m shocked that Hello Bud has an entry. I feel he should be retired or at least go hunter chasing now.

    #389396
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    Only two horses that I have on my shortlist, both been shrewdly looked after, JUNIOR and CHICAGO GREY.

    #389399
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    Moe, he probably will get in, the usual cut off is around the 77-82 mark. I think most connections would be fairly confident of their horses getting a run this year.

    Hopefully he’ll cover himself in glory, before getting a well deserved retirement.

    #389403
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    Ginger, the owner had to really persuade his wife to allow his other horse, Silver By Nature, to take his chance in it last year. She’s not a fan of the race, so I’d imagine that may explain the horses absence.

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