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But the ground on the soft side already, when are the BHA going to clamp down on this clown?
5mm according to the Racing Post – Going: good, good to soft in places in the straight.
Seamus said 3mm earlier on, they’ve probably had 2 mm since.
The BHA directive is to water to produce good to firm ground, Buckley doesn’t follow that directive.
It’s ridiculous to have nearly no rain throughout July and produce softish ground for the start of the meeting with only such a small amount of rain.
It’s probably still raining at Goodwood.
Clerks are in a no win situation Eddie. There were heavy rain showers around earlier in the week that may or may not hit the course. They hit! I think you are wrong to say Goodwood has not had much rain.
If no watering and no rain – HARD ground.
If watering and rain – soft side of good.I’d rather the latter than former myself.
If clerks wait too long before watering then the ground is too hard to soak it up and risks being slippery. Especially the bend at the far end of Goodwood.
Clerks are not God, they do not know how much rain will arrive.
I find misleading going reports a much bigger problem.Value Is EverythingI think you are wrong to say Goodwood has not had much rain.
If no watering and no rain – HARD ground.
If watering and rain – soft side of good.I’d rather the latter than former myself.
It was Seamus who said they hadn’t had much rain – 2mm this month prior to today he said.
Trust you Gingertipster to take things to their extremes, wouldn’t have thought hard ground was a factor much these days and it isn’t a choice between the two examples you give.
The rain was forecast.The BHA directive is to produce good to firm ground, Buckley rarely does this.
The going on the first day of
Goodwood
, the racing pundits were wrong again saying it was soft, I had the going on the slow side of good at
-0.07s/f
per furlong
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55s/f to +0.63s/f
Good/firm +0.20s/f to +0.53s/f
Good -0.25s/f to +0.18s/f
Good/soft -0.55s/f to -0.28s/f
Soft -1.00s/f to -0.58s/f
Heavy -1.58s/f to -1.03s/fin the 4.50 I had
Ascription
as an improver by +14, what the handicapper will put him up for this, your guess is as good as mine
Seamus Buckley "The 12mm of rain on Tuesday was a blessing in disguise, without it we would have been good to firm, good in places".
Obviously the guy prefers dead, tacky ground as it was described yeaterday to good fast summer ground but why is he allowed to get away with such comments without question by both the BHA and the presenters on RUK & C4?
Seamus Buckley "The 12mm of rain on Tuesday was a blessing in disguise, without it we would have been good to firm, good in places".
Obviously the guy prefers dead, tacky ground as it was described yeaterday to good fast summer ground but why is he allowed to get away with such comments without question by both the BHA and the presenters on RUK & C4?The majority of racing pundits are like sheep, if the clerk of the course says the ground is "good to soft", then good to soft it is
Just for the record I had the going on the 2nd day at
Goodwood
at
-0.03s/f
(good), the going held up well considering the rain that fell in the morning
Today it should ride on the fast side of good at about
+0.15s/f
(good).
On the 3rd day at Glorious Goodwood I had the going allowance at
+0.16s/f
(Good), we are now
4lbs
per furlong off
good to firm
Turf going allowance table:
Firm +0.55s/f to +0.63s/f
Good/firm +0.20s/f to +0.53s/f
Good -0.25s/f to +0.18s/f
Good/soft -0.55s/f to -0.28s/f
Soft -1.00s/f to -0.58s/f
Heavy -1.58s/f to -1.03s/fThe going there today was Good ground, certainly not near Good to firm, imo.
Your times seem to be suggest faster ground than it is BB, on Friday even Topspeed said it was only Good at Ascot.
The going there today was Good ground, certainly not near Good to firm, imo.
Your times seem to be suggest faster ground than it is BB, on Friday even Topspeed said it was only Good at Ascot.Do you honestly believe that the going was
good
on the round course at
Ascot
when
Novellist
took 10 lengths off the King George course record and good to firm going didn’t have something to do with it.
I said the going today was
good
at
+0.16s/f
, tomorrow it will be
good to firm
providing no rain falls between now and race time.
Anyway, I have to keep on using my going allowance tables etc, because as far as I am aware, I am the only person to have ever come up with them, and they have been tested against hundreds of meetings
Novellist ran on Saturday not Friday. Topspeed has given Good for Friday and Good/Firm Saturday for Ascot.
Novellist ran on Saturday not Friday. Topspeed has given Good for Friday and Good/Firm Saturday for Ascot.
Ground conditions don’t quicken up that fast in just a day Slowhand. Had it been truly "Good" on Friday, there is no way Novellist would’ve been able to run that time on Saturday.
Timeform’s going assessments for Ascot: Good-firm Friday, Firm Saturday.
I pretty much agree with all TBB has said about Goodwood goings too. Though there’s a lot of rain forecast for "Chichester" around 6:30 to 7:30 AM Friday morning. A lot will depend on how much they get at that point.
Value Is EverythingI was only giving Topspeed’s view though Ginger, in fact i’ve only given his view from the first post I made by using his standards initially to point out he differed from BB. I thought BB used Topspeed standards too? That was why I was confused as to how Topspeed has differing goings to BB.
I personally had Ascot as between Good & Good/Firm Friday and Good/Firm to Firm on Saturday. I find Topspeed’s standards sometimes are set at Good/Firm as at Newmarket and Ascot, so that when it is actually Good To Firm he gives Good.
Ascot dries very quickly these days Ginger, but yes I agree to go from Good to Firm in a day is a lot, but Topspeed hasn’t said that has he?
On day 4 of Glorious Goodwood the course actually slowed up by
11lbs
per furlong from the previous day to
+0.05s/f
(good)
The question, do I use
RP standards times
the answer is yes (see below), the major difference between myself and Top Speed is I use my own
lbs per length
figures to differentiate between each racecourse and distance
7mm rain overnight at Goodwood.
I quote the Clerk of Course from the RP "If the rain had not come, the going would have been good to firm so it was most welcome."
BHA directive is to produce good to firm ground on the flat. It’s time this Clerk was reminded of this.
He does seem to enjoy being the centre of attention with his daily sound bites.
7mm rain overnight at Goodwood.
I quote the Clerk of Course from the RP "If the rain had not come, the going would have been good to firm so it was most welcome."
BHA directive is to produce good to firm ground on the flat. It’s time this Clerk was reminded of this.
He does seem to enjoy being the centre of attention with his daily sound bites.
Both the BHA directive and Clerk’s comments make perfect sense to me Oasis.
Where trainers are unsure (due to rain that may or may not come) they enter both soft and firm ground horses for a big meeting like this. When there’s good-firm ground the soft ground horses are taken out. If good-soft the firm ground horses come out. If good ground no horses come out. So of course the clerk is going to say the rain is "most welcome"… he doesn’t want non-runners.
That is
not
to say the Clerk waters to
provide
"good" ground. Those horses who like it on the firm side deserve a chance to win, therefore the BHA directive to try and water to provide good-firm – is dead right. Not "firm", as firm always has a certain amount of "jar"…
After that – as in this case – if rain comes to alter ground conditions so be it.
Personally as a punter Oasis, I want to hear what the Clerk thinks. So am grateful for the "daily sound bites".
Value Is Everything
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