June 9, 2007 at 19:35 #1932
Are the going stick readings published in advance of meetings on a web site?
Any thoughts on the reliability of the going stick?June 9, 2007 at 19:48 #64308sberryMember
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how far can you push it in – depends how hard you push it – hope that helpsJune 9, 2007 at 19:51 #64311AnonymousInactive
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Yes, they are for most of the courses that use them, on Turftrax.<br> Also, for some major meetings, daily leading up to them.<br>The going stick is the most reliable measure we have at the moment, and it is often an excellent guide, imo. However, it is still subject to the same frailties as other measures, i.e. the Cof C’s Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â whim.June 9, 2007 at 20:30 #64312
Simon, I not talking about an old walking stick with a pointed end as has been used for ages. The Going Stick is an electronic device which I think is being used for all turf meetings. The past result data from Raceform now contains the readings as part of the official going description. Would be nice to have the advance reading for all meetings in one place.June 9, 2007 at 20:44 #64313sberryMember
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electronic – as in more precise than the pointy stick ?
and confirmed readings for past meetings available with results for past meetings as opposed to predictions ?
where ?June 9, 2007 at 21:28 #64314PrufrockParticipant
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I contacted the Racing Post a few years back and asked them at what juncture the going stick readings that appeared in advance in their paper had been taken. They said that it varied enormously. That limited their usefulness in my eyes.June 9, 2007 at 21:48 #64315AnonymousInactive
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Don’t know if I’m allowed to do this, but I find the following link most useful?
I’m not aware of historical data, but they do give timed and dated going stick readings for most courses, along with a course map to show the variance on certain areas of the track.June 9, 2007 at 21:52 #64316robert99Participant
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Quote: from reet hard on 8:51 pm on June 9, 2007[br]Yes, they are for most of the courses that use them, on Turftrax.<br> Also, for some major meetings, daily leading up to them.<br>The going stick is the most reliable measure we have at the moment, and it is often an excellent guide, imo. However, it is still subject to the same frailties as other measures, i.e. the Cof C’s Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â whim.<br>
The GS has been tested for 2 years and calibrated for each of 15 courses (readings are fiddled so that consistency, course to course, is provided). Agree, it is consistent in that it does not depend on opinion and is repeatable, but has the drawback that it is still only an artificial surface layer device. It does not cater for hard layers under softened watered turf for example, nor does it replicate the depth or give that a force of up to 2 tonnes from a hoof imparts. The GS only being a 1kg weight dropped a metre (only the readings are recorded electronically). <br>As I understand it, the CoC can still over-rule the readings and give a going forecast based on his/her superficial "experience".June 10, 2007 at 10:05 #64317
The going stick currently used in the UK is not the same as the pentrometer as is used widely in France. The stick is pressed in the turf about 6 inches and then pulled back to test the resistance. Readings are taken at various points around the track and the unit stores these and produces averaged readings at the end of the process. This is the best indictor of going and the reading for all meetings should be published in advance.
RH, I think the Turf Trax site may very well be what IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢m looking for. <br>
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