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Tuffers,
My 2 pennyworth is as stated when this was last discussed.
Tuffer’s who is Lottie? damned if I can find a horse called Lottie that won at Warwick.
If Lottie is a sprinter the opinion of one jockey who raced up the outside/inside /centre may not be a reflection of the overall going..that is why I ask……..I think there has to be a bit more to it than what you are saying……..Good to Heavy? is basically what you are saying………not many groundsman would make a mistake like that……..I went to Warwick a few years back and when we got there it had already been abandoned. It was flooded down the RH side of the course while the other end looked dry to the naked eye………by that I would imagine it’s definitely not going to be the same all round any time they have heavy rain…..how can any two people agree on going under those conditions?………..The best you can expect is the groundsman assessments and if it changes drastically then you would expect the course official to announce that which I assure you they do when they have the grounds to do it.
……..I went to Warwick a few years back and when we got there it had already been abandoned. It was flooded down the RH side of the course while the other end looked dry to the naked eye………
Official going would have been Good to Fast, Heavy in places. First race – Chase 2m 1f – +/- 220 yards – 2 fences omitted. Actual race distance 1m 7f 127 yds.
In this example, the official going is a hundred times more accurate than the race distance and will have a hundred times more effect on a race time correction for future analysis.
I think that fighting a battle for an accurate official going and an accurate race distance is pointless. It just will not happen.
I for one, am exceeding pleased about this.
Backing two runners is the relentless pursuit of value. Backing each way is a shortcut to the poor house. Only 7% make a long term profit.
Tuffer’s who is Lottie? damned if I can find a horse called Lottie that won at Warwick.
If Lottie is a sprinter the opinion of one jockey who raced up the outside/inside /centre may not be a reflection of the overall going..that is why I ask……..I think there has to be a bit more to it than what you are saying……..Good to Heavy? is basically what you are saying………not many groundsman would make a mistake like that……..I went to Warwick a few years back and when we got there it had already been abandoned. It was flooded down the RH side of the course while the other end looked dry to the naked eye………by that I would imagine it’s definitely not going to be the same all round any time they have heavy rain…..how can any two people agree on going under those conditions?………..The best you can expect is the groundsman assessments and if it changes drastically then you would expect the course official to announce that which I assure you they do when they have the grounds to do it.
Sorry Fist – Lottie was Elopement’s stable name
Official going would have been Good to Fast, Heavy in places. First race – Chase 2m 1f – +/- 220 yards – 2 fences omitted. Actual race distance 1m 7f 127 yds.
In this example, the official going is a hundred times more accurate than the race distance and will have a hundred times more effect on a race time correction for future analysis.
I think that fighting a battle for an accurate official going and an accurate race distance is pointless. It just will not happen.
I for one, am exceeding pleased about this.
I think this is a big problem for those trying to assess the state of the going from the race times for NH races. Flat racing is more reliable and obviously the most reliable is the AW where the rails are never moved.
I still think that if I was taking an early price in the morning I would rather make my punting decision based on the Going Stick reading than the official going
I found it informative.
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Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed it as well.
I still have one question though; I accept that a reading of ‘8.0’ will mean different things at different courses. As the film explains, the differences in soil composition etc mean that we can’t assume that 9.0 will be good-firm at every course.
So, who makes the decision then?
The much-maligned clerk of the course?
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