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Ginge I think you were unlucky with some of your choices some good horses just got beat
Can’t believe it but had a great 2 days at my local track and managed to back 8 winners over the two days,the best I have ever managed. None of them great prices but had 2 great days on the bookie all expenses paid.Nell Gwyn Day
Provident Spirit
Shifting Power
Sandiva
MunjazCraven Day
Hamza
Mull of Killough
Sudden Wonder
CloudscapeDidn’t bet in The Craven as couldn’t decide between Toormore and Be Ready, as it happens the latter ran a terrible race and looked all out after it too, definitely not right.
Thought Toormore had something in hand and Richard Hannon said after the race that he needed this race and it would bring him on a lot. Went round to see the horses cooling down after the race and Toormore came out of the race very well whereas Be Ready had his head down and didn’t look right.True Story is a brute of a colt by Manduro and he stood out in the paddock, was kicking myself for not backing him but had decided on Obliterator who was not given a hard ride, he couldn’t get near the winner who was very impressive.
Amazing that Jane Chapple-Hyam campaigned Mull of Killough all around the World when all he really wanted to do was to come back to Newmarket and win a race. He is a real course specialist it was like stealing from the bookie
One eyecatcher on the first day Luca Cumani’s Connecticut ridden by Andrea Atzeni making up ground on Munjaz from 3 furlongs out and motoring along to take third place on the line. By New Approach out of a Slip Anchor mare he is on my watch list.
On the second day Roger Varian’s Sea the Stars filly Haadetha is definitely one to follow this season.Two great days, roll on the Guineas.
Jac 
Thankfully Be Ready isn’t injured he was walking around the cooling down paddock soundly but with his head down
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Hey Ginge, hope all is well dude. I thought i’d log in and wish you the very best, as you know i’ve always supported you and your threads(which i read on the regular). I can’t pay any compliments, as it’s gotten to the stage that if you don’t win the national or post a profit, i’d be suprised. Nothing much is popping off for me on the ante posts, which is the method i prefer. I suppose the ones i’m looking out for are Telescope for the King George at 12/1, though Gosden used Telescope recently as a hype horse, which is never good as he’s a good judge. Erm..what else have i got that may still be available…ummm i got Bunker fore the derby at 40s(as an angle), and my main hope is Captain Conan for the Champion Chase at 25s. I have noticed though that good old Nicky has been rushing horses to the festival, so i don’t know if Conan will reapear like Simonsig didn’t. Enjoying your posts my dude, and i’ll make the odd contribution on your thread if you don’t mind, as i suck at making threads. For some odd reason i do better when i don’t advetise my bets.
Good to see you back on here Lone Wolf.
I notice they put your birthday in the racing post, Victor Chandler 63, happy birthday mate.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Hope the Lambourn visit went well, and you weren`t too hard on Big Bob – to be fair he was nearly right with Obliterator which was hammered in the market before the off….Spencer then decided he was a hold up horse whether that suited him or not!
Couple of things that came out of the Craven meeting for me – firstly i think the old crystal ball will need to kept close to hand whenever a Godolphin runner turns up to try and see how they will run on the day, and secondly, Spencer`s riding. Do trainers really ask him to hold the vast majority of runners out the back to try and pass just about everything to win or does he do it off his own initiative? Yet with Hamza, he blasts off from the front and nothing gets to him! Mystified am i
I did enjoy Mull Of Killough`s win in particular – game performance.
7:00 Bath
60 points @ 3/1 (Sky) Ladies Are Forever* (min 5/2)25 points @ 8/1 (WH) March* (min 15/2)
Value Is EverythingNews from the Godolphin website about Be Ready:
http://www.godolphin.com/news/latest-ne … oing-tests
Posted 18 April 2014, 11:40 GMT
"Be Ready did not run to form in the Group Three Novae Bloodstock Insurance Craven Stakes over a mile at Newmarket on April 17, finishing last of the six runners.
Saeed bin Suroor, the trainer of the New Approach colt, expressed his disappointment with Be Ready’s performance.
Following a veterinary examination after the race, it appears the colt had an
atrial fibrillation
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Be Ready’s cardiac rhythm had returned to normal this morning (April 18) and the three-year-old will undergo a heart scan and other tests this afternoon by a leading specialist in equine internal medicine, Celia Marr.
This is to make sure there are no residual problems. Be Ready’s heart rhythm during exercise will be monitored when he returns to training.
Atrial fibrillation is a fairly common irregularity of the heart rhythm in racehorses. During an episode, the horse is unable to perform to his usual standard.
But, in most horses, it is a one-off event and the prognosis is good for a complete recovery of previous race form".
Suspect my 50/1 for the Guineas is lost, but main thing is he’ll be ok for the future.
Value Is EverythingGinge I think you were unlucky with some of your choices some good horses just got beat
Can’t believe it but had a great 2 days at my local track and managed to back 8 winners over the two days,the best I have ever managed. None of them great prices but had 2 great days on the bookie all expenses paid.Nell Gwyn Day
Provident Spirit
Shifting Power
Sandiva
MunjazCraven Day
Hamza
Mull of Killough
Sudden Wonder
CloudscapeDidn’t bet in The Craven as couldn’t decide between Toormore and Be Ready, as it happens the latter ran a terrible race and looked all out after it too, definitely not right.
Thought Toormore had something in hand and Richard Hannon said after the race that he needed this race and it would bring him on a lot. Went round to see the horses cooling down after the race and Toormore came out of the race very well whereas Be Ready had his head down and didn’t look right.True Story is a brute of a colt by Manduro and he stood out in the paddock, was kicking myself for not backing him but had decided on Obliterator who was not given a hard ride, he couldn’t get near the winner who was very impressive.
Amazing that Jane Chapple-Hyam campaigned Mull of Killough all around the World when all he really wanted to do was to come back to Newmarket and win a race. He is a real course specialist it was like stealing from the bookie
One eyecatcher on the first day Luca Cumani’s Connecticut ridden by Andrea Atzeni making up ground on Munjaz from 3 furlongs out and motoring along to take third place on the line. By New Approach out of a Slip Anchor mare he is on my watch list.
On the second day Roger Varian’s Sea the Stars filly Haadetha is definitely one to follow this season.Two great days, roll on the Guineas.
Jac Thankfully Be Ready isn’t injured he was walking around the cooling down paddock soundly but with his head down
Nice to hear someone had a good two day Newmarket meeting Jac. I know I felt unlucky, but truth is even though both 2nd and 3rd looked unfortunate,
Shifting Power
is probably the one to take out of the Free. Pushed along quite early; good looking (scope) son of Compton Place may do better stepped up in trip or with a stronger pace.
Mull Of Killough
was Timeform top rated, ran really well in AUS before a little disappointing in Dubai. I just thought he might not be 100% so soon after that trip
. Has some heart that horse, credit to his trainer. Toormore
has such a fllowing pointing action, possibly be at his very best on a sound surface. It’ll be surprising if he doesn’t prove good enough for at least a place in the 2000.
Don’t know whether to be glad or not when you say
True Story
is a "brute of a colt" Jac. Good thing is yet more scope for improvement! But is he too big to act around Epsom? Might also explain the reluctance at stalls (little room). Either way, doubt 12/1 will last much longer.
Interesting notes about
Connecticut
, I’ll look him up. Have a soft spot for Slip Anchor’s, as his Derby win is responsible for me buying my first Timeform book.
Hadaatha
should certainly pay her way too; an Oaks or Coronation Stakes filly perhaps?
Value Is EverythingHey Ginge, hope all is well dude. I thought i’d log in and wish you the very best, as you know i’ve always supported you and your threads(which i read on the regular). I can’t pay any compliments, as it’s gotten to the stage that if you don’t win the national or post a profit, i’d be suprised. Nothing much is popping off for me on the ante posts, which is the method i prefer. I suppose the ones i’m looking out for are Telescope for the King George at 12/1, though Gosden used Telescope recently as a hype horse, which is never good as he’s a good judge. Erm..what else have i got that may still be available…ummm i got Bunker fore the derby at 40s(as an angle), and my main hope is Captain Conan for the Champion Chase at 25s. I have noticed though that good old Nicky has been rushing horses to the festival, so i don’t know if Conan will reapear like Simonsig didn’t. Enjoying your posts my dude, and i’ll make the odd contribution on your thread if you don’t mind, as i suck at making threads. For some odd reason i do better when i don’t advetise my bets.
Thanks LW,
Can see why Gosden said those things aboutTelescope
, this time last year Derby price was nowhere near what his form merrited and still only a Group 2 winner. But just because he’s not a Group 1 performer yet, doesn’t mean he’s not worthy of talking about as a contender. It’s his scope that makes Telescope so newsworthy. Good looking horse with only 5 runs to his name, from a trainer who targets the race and is known for improving four year olds… I expect Stoute’s horse to prove himself top class if all remains well with him. 12/1 is a fair price, but I personally don’t like taking prices ante-post about those who’ve proven fragile in the past and now has to recover from a chipped fetlock.
Captain Conan
was "lame" when pulled up, suspect he’ll be ok but hasn’t had much racing lately. Then there’s whether he’ll run; if Sprinter Sacre or Simonsig are fit come next March doubt Captain Conan will run and that is probably why he’s such a big price. Sorry to be so negative about his chance.
Bunker
is yet to run further than 7f and should get a lot further. Bred to be more a Derby horse than Guineas. By Hurricane Run and the dam Endure seems to get horses who stay well enough despite being by Green Desert. However, Hannon rarely has a Derby horse, most bred for that trip don’t get it under the Everleigh/Herridge partnership; but that means Bunker is more likely to get to post. 40/1 may well be worth taking the chance…
Then again, I am no ante-post king, so wouldn’t take my ramblings as a guide.
By all means put your thoughts/bets in here LW, look foreward to seeing your contributions.
Value Is EverythingHope the Lambourn visit went well, and you weren`t too hard on Big Bob – to be fair he was nearly right with Obliterator which was hammered in the market before the off….Spencer then decided he was a hold up horse whether that suited him or not!
Couple of things that came out of the Craven meeting for me – firstly i think the old crystal ball will need to kept close to hand whenever a Godolphin runner turns up to try and see how they will run on the day, and secondly, Spencer`s riding. Do trainers really ask him to hold the vast majority of runners out the back to try and pass just about everything to win or does he do it off his own initiative? Yet with Hamza, he blasts off from the front and nothing gets to him! Mystified am i
I did enjoy Mull Of Killough`s win in particular – game performance.
Didn’t go to Lambourn in the end Softie, so Big Bob is off the hook.
You’re right about Obliterator, ran an encouraging race.Can’t say I noticed Spencer, but his nick name is not Frank for nothing.
Hamza ride was very well judged… unfortunately. It was Hannagan who I thought had a nightmare. Change the first two jockeys around in the Free Handicap – different result; change the jockey in the Abernant – different result. 
Other than Be Ready’s heart problem (not their fault) Godolphin had a great Newmarket Softie. They may have a better year this time around. Not sure who went to Dubai and who didn’t; but noticed they’ve done better in the past when April weather is fairly warm; being less of a shock to the system. Backed Ihtimal for the 1000 and get on True Story for the Derby!
Value Is EverythingThanks nath/ginge. Nath if i was vic youd be talking less gayer adverts, and id let punters back a horse.
7:00 Bath
60 points @ 3/1 (Sky) Ladies Are Forever* (min 5/2)25 points @ 8/1 (WH) March* (min 15/2)
That’ll do for the only betting race of the day.
Value Is Everythinge]
Thanks LW,
Can see why Gosden said those things aboutTelescope
, this time last year Derby price was nowhere near what his form merrited and still only a Group 2 winner. But just because he’s not a Group 1 performer yet, doesn’t mean he’s not worthy of talking about as a contender. It’s his scope that makes Telescope so newsworthy. Good looking horse with only 5 runs to his name, from a trainer who targets the race and is known for improving four year olds
I’d be more worried about Michael Stoute than the horse.
Michael Stoute had a couple of years in the wilderness and it was largely thought he was going to end that spell with one time favourites for both The Derby and Oaks in Telescope and Liber Nauticus early last season. As we know it didn’t work out for them.
The stable broke its group 1 hoodoo with Estimate in the Gold Cup at Ascot last year but to me it seems to be still a shadow of former days, with nothing looking likely for either Guineas, The Derby or The Oaks on my radar anyway for this year. They are largely running modestly at the moment, with only 3 minor wins this month from about 27 runners and some very poor efforts in several cases. A stable to avoid for me and I can’t say I am seeing much to excite O’Brien fans either. We know he tends to start slowly but it’s only two weeks to the Guineas and recent form is pretty whiffy. It was startling to me to see Tapestry as low as 7/2 with Ladbrokes for the 1000 G and over the course of a couple of weeks see her offered at 11/1 in some places. Very much of concern and the farting around with War Command regarding the English 2000 G is hardly a sign of a man confident he knows where he is with his contenders.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
It is true that SMS has not done too well in recent years Steve, but beware, people were writing Sir Henry off not so long ago; and SMS often starts slowly anyway… O’Brien is well known for a poor April too, before hitting form at the start of May. I saw Tapestry much bigger than 11/1 only about week ago, but the money has come back in the last few days.
Value Is EverythingThat’s true Ginge. It’s too easy to write folk off. Plus Stevie, i was wondering what someone would be capable of doing 20 years ago, that they can’t do now, in terms of how they train a horse ? I’ve also saw the word ‘genuis’ being branded about to describe trainers. Well, i’m sure there was a geordie trainer who said ‘anyone could do it’, after a horse he ran won a race at one of the good flat meetings last year(may have been ascot) ?
p.s after reading sportinglife, i think it would have been Ellison and top notch tonto, maybe after he ran a big race behind Olypic Glory.
That’s true Ginge. It’s too easy to write folk off. Plus Stevie, i was wondering what someone would be capable of doing 20 years ago, that they can’t do now, in terms of how they train a horse ? I’ve also saw the word ‘genuis’ being branded about to describe trainers. Well, i’m sure there was a geordie trainer who said ‘anyone could do it’, after a horse he ran won a race at one of the good flat meetings last year(may have been ascot) ?
p.s after reading sportinglife, i think it would have been Ellison and top notch tonto, maybe after he ran a big race behind Olypic Glory.
Let the man who thinks anyone can do it, get on with doing it, would be my response.
It’s hard to explain why trainers drop out of the picture but it happens. Paul Cole was once firing out great two year olds and won the Derby but he does little these days. Peter Chapple-Hyam seemed to have the world at his feet at one stage but drifts in and out at best now. Guy Harwood used to be a top notcher but he really drifted off the map before he retired and I don’t think Luca Cumani is the same force he once was.
I am not saying Stoutie is dead and buried, I just think he’s not the man to be feared the way he was. Looking at his prospects for this season, his three year olds look a less promising lot than last year and looking at his twenty odd entries for the Derby I would ask anyone to nominate one who would be certain of running, far less hold a realistic chance of winning the race?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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