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<br>A fantastic performance especially as Sir Percy would have been a convincing winner of most other renewals so this guy must be something really special. I feel like I’ve been going through the motions watching racing lately even at Cheltenham but today has really got me buzzing again.
When I saw how keen he was early on, I was really wondering about him lasting home so imagine how good he could be if he got a lead for longer as well as a stronger pace.
As for future plans the question is, will Epsom tempt them? I would definitely not take him there but it may well end up being a case of them looking at what else they’ve got after the trials. Horatio Nelson obviously wants further but nevertheless didn’t show much promise today and if Aidan doesn’t have a stand-out contender in a few weeks will they send GW?
Personally I would go down the Irish Guineas, St James’s Palace, possibly Eclipse & Sussex route.
We can talk about how great GW is/isn’t on here all day but if Kieran says he’s the best he’s ridden that’s enough for me when you look at the horses he has sat on.
I dont know if Im alone in this but I really thought he was idleing in the last half a furlong. Did you see the two ears?? A real sign of a character (i.e Complete tramp!!) of a horse.
SHL
I’m certain he was idling. He must have lost a couple of lengths drifting across the track as well. The horse does pretty much as he likes.
The pace wasn’t that quick early so for the horse to quicken the way he did off a relatively slow pace was pretty impressive to say the least. I don’t think the leaders were dying, the early leader finished third and the runner up was running on strongly after being prominant the whole way.
Have now seen the race. GW broke ok, was pulling very hard in the first furlong, kept bumping into a horse next to him, was wandering all over the place, quickened extremely well, and the drifted to the right. And he still won by 2 and a half lengths.:o
Anyone fancy a match race?? George Washington vs Barbaro!
PaulCS, interesting you mention which route you would go down as I was going to start a thread on the matter. I really think he’ll get 10f, but Ascot starts quite late this year posing a bit of a problem for connections, although the Eclipse is 1 week later than usual to compensate.
Do they send him to the Irish Guineas, then St James and Sussex? They might fancy the Eclipse in place of the Sussex. Maybe even the July Cup?
I would send him to the Irish Guineas on May 27th, the Eclipse on 9th July and the Sussex on 2nd August. This ensures the horse is getting a nice break inbetween all his races, but could you see connections being tempted for the French Derby? His pedigree suggests it certainly wouldn’t be a problem.
I would personally avoid the Irish and English Derbys (maybe the Scottish :biggrin: ). Make the ultimate target the QE2, with a possible crack at the BC Mile. His half-bro Grandera ran well on dirt in the Dubai World Cup, so it’s a possibility he could go well on it as well.
watched it again and looks better still
agree that sir percy looks like hes going to be a real contender this year…def needs further…
I wish Ec would have said about this horse before….with his mickey mouse watch and whatever
Tony O’Hehir? Who? :biggrin:
Andrew, I agree completely that it’s pretty annoying how seemingly all top horses are retired at 3yo now, but in all fairness, dual-G1 winner Scorpion, Arc winner Hurricane Run and the amazing Shawanda have all been kept in training, which is a testament to the owners. They could all be retired, sent to stud and make a hell of a lot of money, so fair play to them.
I was, however, very disappointed with Oratorio being retired. I see a distinct lack of quality in the 10f category this year. Does anybody know what has happened to Indigo Cat? Such a classy 3yo last season, winning the Hampton Court Stakes at Royal Ascot without Fallon having to touch him, beaten a shd in the Predominant Stakes. I heard he had been sold, but the RP form check says differently. I’ve never been a fan of Ace at Group 1 level, and would love to know if Indigo Cat is actually going to be used this year, because I think he could really dominate.
I know I’m late posting, But I had to say how impresed I was with George Washington. I feel so privileged to have seen him win in person. His turn of foot was amazing. IMO the best Guineas winner for a good few years. I believe this horse can prove himself to be an exceptional champion this year. He’s an arrogant horse who has his quirks, but this just makes him more endearing, for me. You couldn’t wish for a better trainer than Aidan O’Brien to keep a horse’s temperament under control.
I was rooting for my namesake Sir Percy who is a sentimental favourite of mine. I thought he ran a fantastic race in 2nd. I don’t think I’ve ever had a horse finish 2nd yet still feel as happy as I did on saturday. The Derby now beckons for Sir Percy and I think he’s more than up to the task.
(maybe the Scottish
The race no longer exists.
The only group races north of York are:
A G3 6f race for 2yo fillies at Ayr <br>A G3 6f all-age sprint at Newcastle
Not much to cheer about if you live in the northern half of the country.<br>
Ok, just readinh through this thread I see a few people are slating the form already. Was this not done with last year’s Guineas as well?? Let’s review the 2005 Gns.
1st Footstepsinthesand – 2 runs in low class races on soft ground. Won easily and now stands for £30k at stud (??).
3rd Kandidate – Good winner of the Roseberry beating a very progressive Handicapper in Rohaani
4th Oratorio – Dual Group-1 winner of Irish Champ and Eclipse, with a 2nd in the Irish Gns and 3rd in the St. James Palace
5th Dubawi – Winner of Irish Guineas and Jacques Le Marois, with a 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the QE2.
6th Democratic Deficit – Winner of a Group 3 in Ireland
11th David Junior – Dual-Listed winner, Group 3 winner, and Dual-Group 1 winner of the Champion Stakes and Dubai Duty Free. Trading around 5/1 on BF for the Prince of Wales.
19th Rob Roy – Group 3 and Group 2 winner. Being aimed at the Lockinge amongst other top Group 1 mile races.
Don’t you think it’s a bit early to be slating the form? Let’s wait until after Ascot before we start making judgements.
I think the Guineas could work out like this this year.
1st George Washington – multi-Group 1 winner, with a stud fee of around £60k in first season.
2nd Sir Percy – St. Leger winner, with 2nd in the Derby and placed in the Irish Derby.
3rd Olympian Odyssey – Placed in some top 10f races. Eclipse, Champion Stakes, Juddmonte International, etc Could probably cope with 12f at Group 2 or 3 level.
7th Amadeus Wolf – Golden Jubilee and Sprint Cup winner.
8th Horatio Nelson – Derby and Irish Derby winner, placed in the King George and Arc.
9th Asset – Top prospect on quick ground. Capable of some Group 2 races.
12th Red Clubs – Top sprinter/7f horse. Possibly the Jersey stakes?
People may be commenting from two different angles.[1] how does that particular 2000g compare with the best in the past or [2] how good was that particular 2000g as a race in 2006.
For the first I would say "average". For the second I would say "very good" bearing in mind the cold, late spring circumstances and the number of good competitors in the race (for 6 furlongs at least ). Undoubtly these are amongst the very best of their generation and will win future high class races amongst their generation. The real test is when they get older horse competition and higher class overseas competitors. My gut feeling is that GW will race once more and in the Irish 2000g. Only now being raced for future breeding fee enhancement.
Not too many people were saying it was poor going in to it and while it may yet prove to be poor, I think judgeing it now is nothing short of idiotic.
SHL
If you want the best prices that is the name of the game. Or if you are really clever – before the race has been run.
visually impressive and 124+ imo
Shame HN wasn’t ready, because that was the match up i was looking forward to, but a big up to AOB for letting everyone know
<br>still not convinced about GW though because of the way the race was run, and in the right race i may take him on again, at what will be very skinny odds
<br>(Edited by a George Washington layer at 1:34 am on May 9, 2006)
(Edited by empty wallet at 3:47 am on May 9, 2006)
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Quote: from SirHarryLewis on 7:16 pm on May 8, 2006[br]…. while it may yet prove to be poor, I think judgeing it now is nothing short of idiotic.  <br>
<br>Far from it: a race can only be assessed at the time of its running. Some of the horses may progress throughout the season, given a step up in trip or, simply, more time to develop (look at David Junior and Oratorio from jackane’s list, for instance), while others may have left their best days behind them as a two-year-old. Or do we revise the form of the Guineas upwards if Sir Percy and Horatio Nelson sweep all before them over twelve furlongs or more this season? To say that a mile race in early-May was "better" because of the subsequent exploits of two of its field over a mile and a half in June and July is ludicrous.
One can only look at a race as it is run on the day and try to form an opinion from that: the fact that a horse who won the Free Handicap off 100 was beaten just over five lengths into fifth suggests that this was an average Guineas, although the winner has the potential to go on to far better things.
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