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WD all the GW backers. Great performance, one top notch horse.
(Edited by cormack15 at 3:33 pm on May 6, 2006)
I never said they are true 12F horses. I thin both will most likely be suited by 10F in time, as I said above.
Hence, why I think a mile at this stage is … perfect
Oops.
I misread. I thought you said 1/2, not 1/4.
I agree that many 3yo’s that will suit 10f at the end of the season will be best at 8f now.
Sorry for the confusion.
Steve
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The turn of foot he showed to go clear was spectacular but he didn’t extend that advantage to the line, did he?
To say that he is anything other than a very promising horse for the rest of the season is to give in to the contemporary fashion for hyperbole, I’m afraid. If he can build on this and sweep all before him this season, then you can come back and shower him with drooling epithets but he’s no superstar just yet.
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Quote: from EC on 3:41 pm on May 6, 2006[br]<br>he destroyed them..and it was a decent field<br>(Edited by EC at 3:42 pm on May 6, 2006)<br>
<br>Yes, he did destroy them for foot but it wasn’t a vintage field by any stretch of the imagination. The three recognised trial winners all won sub-standard renewals of their races, while seven of his opponents were making their seasonal reappearance.
I’m not denying that he has the potential to go on to great things but until he goes on to beat other, more established, milers all the platitudes aren’t justified. Maroof beat a far stronger field in the 1994 QEII at Ascot: was he a great miler?
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Quote: from EC on 3:52 pm on May 6, 2006[br..not rubbish them for no logical reason
<br>As opposed to going over the top about them without any case to back up the argument?
All that he’s done is beaten the same horses he had every right to beat on last year’s form. That makes him the best of his generation over a mile this year, so far. To say that he’s anything above that is simply not justifiable.
Edit: As for Maroof, he beat a better field than that assembled today. What was the reaction at the time? That it was a fluke. Don’t read too much into one performance, that’s all.
(Edited by yquem21 at 4:00 pm on May 6, 2006)
If it wasnt a vintage feild, which contenders were missing?
Persoanlly i think he looks like a miler only, but an easy 10 f on fast could be about right
Bit hard to see him being comfortable with the epsom 12f
But hes wonderful i must say :)
Yes, he did destroy them for foot but it wasn’t a vintage field by any stretch of the imagination. The three recognised trial winners all won sub-standard renewals of their races, while seven of his opponents were making their seasonal reappearance.
I think today’s performance backed up his 2yo form.
Even if he had been fit, I think HN would have lost today.
GW looks the best 3yo miler around.
I’m curious, if he comes up against older milers, who’s going to be be the main opposition?
Valixir? Anyone else?
Steve
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Quote: from clivex on 4:00 pm on May 6, 2006[br]If it wasnt a vintage feild, which contenders were missing?<br>
<br>No-one is saying that it wasn’t a representative field, merely not a strong one. The race hardly had the strength in depth of the 1970 or 1984 Guineas, did it? Yet everyone is going on as though George Washington were El Gran Senor’s second coming.
main older opponent would be David Junior
GW go for July Cup? Who knows?
I was told from Ballydoyle contact even before GW raced that he would cetainly win the 2000 Gns 2006 – watched him 3rd on debut and dismissed it (I don’t bet anyway). Just that it seems that GW has stood out for a very long time in Tipperary. Perhaps this is as good as it gets.
I think the fact that he destroyed a decent enough Dewhurst winner who the Tregoning camp had at his best while leaving the rest of a reasonable, if not outstanding, field trailing in his wake suggests that he is in all probability an exceptional specimen.
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Quote: from EC on 4:13 pm on May 6, 2006[br]<br>you don’t know wht strength in depth the field has from a handicapping point of view..same as you wouldn’t have known at this stage in 84 or 70<br>
<br>The fields in those races had accomplished far more than today’s though. My Swallow and Mill Reef had far better form in the book than any of today’s runners (the winner included), as did Lear Fan and Rainbow Quest in 1984.
As I said earlier, George Washington has the potential to develop into an absolutely top-class miler but can’t be rated one on today’s performance. He could be the next El Gran Senor but he could equally go the same way as Zafonic.
Oh, and another thing, the result confirms yet again the what a superlative horseman Aidan O’Brien is. You only had to listen to the way Fallon spoke about his (Aidan’s) influence on George washington to realise that here is a very special trainer, the like of which only appears once or twice in a lifetime.
Quote: from yquem21 on 4:04 pm on May 6, 2006[br]The race hardly had the strength in depth of the 1970 or 1984 Guineas, did it?
<br>How on earth can anyone make that comparison?
There were the top six horses in the European Free Handicap, plus all of the trial winners. I’m not quite sure what more you want.
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