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    Avatar photoanthonycutt
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    Although I dont bet on horses…

    You keep saying that but I don’t believe it. Only a pocket talker would say his piece then continue to hammer the jockey in the manner you are.

    Someone who doesn’t bet on horses would praise Cook for putting the welfare of his horse first surely?

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    Avatar photograysonscolumn
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    The amount of winners he has ridden this year or any other year should have no influence whatsoever.

    That was merely mentioned

    en passant

    to serve as a reminder, should anyone require it, that Danny Cook’s Our Vic mishap (I won’t include last night’s race for as long as the extent of his culpability in the matter remains questionable) is not symptomatic of a greater incompetence that prevents him from riding winners. No more than that.

    The lad made the same mistake 3 times in 1 year, you do that in your job, good chance you will get fired.

    Someone ought to tell Titus Bramble’s employers that he’s led a charmed life, then. 8)

    I can’t have a bar of any "three strikes and out" talk, I’m afraid – not when error-based censure of riders is as uneven as it currently appears to be.

    Consider this – dropping of hands or taking of wrong courses, to all intents and purposes, elicits no different an outcome than if a rider fails to present a horse bang in contention correctly at the final fence, causing the animal to blunder and ultimately forfeit a winning chance.

    If the net outcome is the same, namely that a horse that should have won didn’t, there ought by rights to be the same baying for blood the next time a rider puts an otherwise winning horse wrong at a fence late on.

    Personally, though, I think I’d just sooner either such instance just elicited a bit more even-tempered a response. And if any potential bettor so strongly regards a Danny Cook-ridden front-runner as a liability on account of the rider, there’s never not the option to take on both it and him.

    gc

    Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

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    Avatar photoKen(West Derby)
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    Joncol wrote…The lad made the same mistake 3 times in 1 year, you do that in your job, good chance you will get fired.

    And maybe TRF should ban any TRF’er who writes through his backside on more than two occasions. Joncol, I really wonder how you have acquired such rare wisdom about horse racing when from what I’ve read from your threads and posts you appear to lack the expertise to be anything other than an armchair critic with little or no clue as to the realities of the game. Why do you waste your time on this forum when you’ve boasted about how easy you find it to make money betting on other sports? Which are?

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    jinnyj
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    Latest from the RP site gives a bit more into this including a strange speculation from the journo than Pipe might be sacking him then Pipe explaining why Flint replaced him.

    "CONDITIONAL jockey Danny Cook on Saturday maintained there were mitigating factors in his decision to bypass the second-last in a handicap hurdle at Newton Abboton Friday, which resulted in his mount Gaspara, who was first past the post, being disqualified.

    It was the third time in just over a year Cook, who faces a lengthy suspension over the incident, had committed an offence of this type and his future with boss David Pipe in unclear, with speculation the trainer could end his employment.

    He was replaced by champion conditional Rhys Flint on his only ride at Market Rasen on Saturday, but Pipe said: "Danny hasn’t been jocked off. He hurt himself when he unseated from Gaspara going to the start and he’s not in work today as he’s feeling a bit sore.

    "I’ll go through what happened with Danny once we get today out of the way – I already have briefly – but it was a split second decision that the rules say he made wrong. We’ll have to have a proper look whenit’s less hectic, but there was a man waving a flag."

    However, Cook, who experienced Cheltenham Festival glory when the Pipe-trained Great Endeavour won the Byrne Group Plate in March, pointed to the positioning of a flagman as areason for his decision.

    "The problem was coming to the hurdle and the flagman was pointing and shouting," Cook said on Saturday.

    "Then someone shouted not to jump the hurdle. It wasn’t another jockey – I don’t know who it was – so I assumed we weren’t jumping it."

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    eddie case
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    Another farce, the BHA and the stewards just do things to suit themselves, punish the jockey whatever happens unless it’s a race with only 1 "finisher" and move on. Danny Cook punished for not having psychic powers riding on horseback at 30 mph. How was he supposed to know what the incorrectly positioned flagman was waving at or if they had had time or not to put arrows in the hurdle. Even the eventual "winning" jockey said it was a split second decision whether to jump it.
    There were no arrows in the fence nor any instruction to avoid the fence at Chepstow when Jimmy Derham on Ringsend Rose missed a fence of his own volition yet he was amazingly allowed to keep the race. On that occasion the stewards and BHA even resorted to telling lies to vindicate themselves. They incorrectly stated Derham was waved around the fence when the groundstaff admitted in the enquiry they were telling Derham to jump the fence further along.

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    Fryern
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    I bet often on Gaspara – not this time (didn’t like the odds).

    Someone instructed the man with the chequered flag and he cocked up. You can’t blame the jockey. The video evidence is clear.

    The stewards are incompetent. They should have declared the race void. Fire the stewards and the person who instructed the man with the flag.

    Won’t happen as there will be a cover up.

    :D :D

    #292525
    Grimes
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    Bingo, fryern.

    Anyone have any suggestions as to how else Cook should have responded to the flagman, since the screens were actually out of harm’s way – not even on the track, but some way to the side; other than by ignoring his gesturing, which, whatever the real reason, would have been a tacit expression of contempt for the regulatory system laid down by race-course administrators? As has been said, all in a split second.

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