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  • #292069
    Avatar photothisthatandtother
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    I don’t think Danny Cook should be blamed for that. Have any of you lot been on a horse at that speed? Obviously not, from some of the inane comments here. The situation was a fiasco. That last comment is way ott. Danny Cook is a good jockey, he made a mistake on Our Vic, fair enough and paid the price. This incident cannot be compared with that one. Get over the bridge, at least you’re still alive to do it.

    #292073
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    I agree – the Our Vic mistake was completely dfferent to this. They should have been waved round the right of the hurdle thus keeping them well away from the screens.

    #292074
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    Did any other jockeys swerve the hurdle?

    #292075
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    Well, just to repeat. When you are on a horse at that speed you don’t have a forum and video and three hours to make a decision. DC made a decision which he thought was right in an unclear situation.

    #292076
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    I’d have to watch it again to answer you Zarkava, but I really do think this was an incident that would have caught out many jockeys who were leading.

    Just think Cook was unlucky in this instance.

    A genuine mistake in very confusing and unique circumstances

    #292080
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    Why didn’t the jockey on the runner-up follow Cook? They were as good as neck and neck. That jockey was closer to the rail than Cook was! Cook effed up big time and should be duly punished.

    #292083
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    Well said Zarkava, if your not up to the task then dont be a jockey.

    I am keeping my fingers crossed Chanel four will replay the race tomorow and put increasing pressure on authorities to make an example out of this.

    A 6 month ban for Cook.

    It will send a message out to all other jockeys, if you do this, then you will get the same sort of ban, If you think this is harsh or OTT then perhaps you need to look at an alternative career because this is the standard/requirements we are setting for all jockeys…

    6 month ban for him, does not matter what age he is, he should of learnt his lesson from last time, if your not up to the task then dont be a jockey

    #292084
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    Hang on I just read this is the third time he has taken the wrong course in the space of a year.

    I didnt know about Huntingdon..

    Listen enough is enough. A 6 month band for this lad

    #292088
    Grimes
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    Yes, Fryern: why was there a man waving a chequered flag (any flag) at the jockeys.

    What were they supposed to do? Not ride into the screen at the SIDE of the course? If they had waved ther flags at the people attending to the stricken animal, to warn them not to stray onto the course, that, too would have ben entirely redundant. But might have made just a little more sense.

    I must have missed something, the crucial thing, whatever it might have been, because nobody has yet told me what hazard the jockeys were being warned to avoid.
    I was fuming as well, but I was at least as baffled as young Cook.

    #292090
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    I think you’re being a bit harsh Joncol, meowd cocker.

    The kid – who is clearly not the shiniest spoon in the cutlery collection – is on a heavily backed favourite and there’s a massive green screen behind the hurdle as he approaches. There are two demented Devonians running about like the Flowerpot Men shaking chequered flags in the air, at least one of whom isn’t supposed to be there. Dead horses are strewn around the track like something out of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

    His panic is understandable. I’d cut him some slack on this occasion.

    #292095
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    10 Gaspara (FR) 11-4 b1 Danny Cook (3) D Pipe 7 5/2 f
    led, well clear when went round 2 out, kept on under pressure from last, placed 1st, disqualified and placed lst opened 11/4

    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Full_Res … 33,00.html

    Can anyone please explain this :shock:

    Or should it read :

    placed 1st, disqualified and placed

    l0th

    opened 11/4

    #292098
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    This is a typical example of how class-ridden racing is. Blame the jockey because he has form. Blame the flagman because he works there for beer money for just a few hours once a blue moon. But, whatever happens, don’t blame the Clerk of the Course, the Stewards or the racing authorities.
    These sorts of events should be regularly rehearsed and ground workers should be adequately trained in acting decisively in any given scenario. Every ground worker should be properly equipped with radio communications linked directly to the Clerk of the Course who should be the sole person responsible for issuing immediate instructions as to what actions need to be taken. Given the apparent confusion both on and off-course which appears to have been created by this event and the fact that people could potentially be at risk of severe injury if hit by a ‘confused’ jockey’s horse should the BHA take a good hard look at their Instructions to Courses manual, Policies and Procedures etc? It just strikes me that sometimes reactions to situations are done on a ‘wing and a prayer’ instead of in accordance with procedures set in stone. Does every Course have a designated Health and Safety officer, not just in name but by profession. One of these days another Danny Cook is going to do precisely the same thing but proceed to mow someone down with potentially fatal consequences. Get it sorted BHA instead of using the blame-game card.
    There’s another aspect to this i.e. the fact that, unlike many other sports many jockeys are free-lance and do not enjoy the same employer employee relationship that most workers do in relation to on-going training and disciplinary matters. Whereas the footballer can receive sanctions handed down by the football authorities plus his own club, when it comes to racing we never hear of trainers taking disciplinary action against jockeys, do we? How often are jockeys sent on refresher courses and re-acquainted with the rules?

    #292101
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    I backed Gaspara yesterday and having had a
    bad day, thought this one was the one to get me
    out of trouble, how right/wrong I was.

    Firstly, despite not taking the second last, surely common
    sense should prevail and Gaspara should be allowed to
    keep the race, the blame has to go towards the flag waving
    idiots not Cook, what were they doing? Cook had really no
    alternative but to go round the hurdle anything could be dangerous
    on the other side

    Secondly, Gaspara would have won easily, the horse that finished
    2nd but was awarded the race was not closing on Gaspara at all 3 furlongs
    out.

    Thirdly, I reckon had Gaspara been a rank outsider rather
    than a well backed clear favourite the stewards would have
    taken a different view/not been given an envelope by the bookies and
    would have been allowed to keep the race.

    I feel proper hard done by.

    #292104
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    some people on this forum need a little more knowledge before slagging off danny cook, in a micro second he has to make a judgement when he has seen a flag being waved before the last fence you dont ride towards the side of the flag waver, danny cook has no idea what could be on the ground over that last fence, the flag waver on the rail was totally in the wrong place and cook took the middle path between the 2 flag wavers, i feel absolutely gutted for him.

    #292110
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    This is the race:-

    http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=NEW_2010_04_23_02_1755

    The incident is 4/5ths of the way in. You may have to register to watch but it’s free.

    Can anyone tell me what a raised chequered flag at 45 degrees actually means as this is what caused the confusion. This is 7.15 into the recording.

    You can see the jockey restraining Gaspara before the second last and then decide he had to go round it not over it.

    Without knowing the meaning of the flag I blame the stewards and clerk of the course. What were their intentions and why was there a flag?

    #292111
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    Again, why did no other jockeys swerve the hurdle? Stop making excuses for him. He was the leader and decided to swerve the hurdle, yet nobody followed him. His fault 100%.

    #292112
    Avatar photoMatthew01
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    I had a huge bet on my account with Ladbrokes, has anyone who
    backed Gaspara tried to get their money back?

    I don’t hold out much hope, but curious?

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