March 28, 2002 at 18:01 #4181paul101Member
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Hi all, just a thought here, but does anyone know of any site that has gambling stables stats available, we all know of some gambling stables, but when the money’s down it would be interesting to know which stables are the most likely to deliver, any ideas anyone? it would be a lovely tool to have.March 28, 2002 at 18:35 #99060FlagshipMember
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Good point Paul. We all know the Ramsdens get stuck in, though how many backed ones win??
I would be interested to see the results for DJ Wintle as he doesn’t often leave the dosh behind when he goes in, saw one win a mile last Saturday.<br>March 28, 2002 at 20:30 #99061Boggles BackMember
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The most feared trainer in British racing by a country mile and the only man I would poop myself taking a bet off is Barney Curley. The man is a genious and greater still, no-one including god has a clue how he works. He hasnt had a British winner since October 2000 (24 runners in 2001, not one backed, not one placed) but did have a gambled on winner in Ireland (Kalingalinga who had a previous lifetime best of 5th and went off 5/4 in a 20 runner handicap and won by a mile). Dont let that fool you. He is giving up the game to concentrate on hes charity work in Zambia but I’d bet my life he’ll have one big punt before he goes. If one of his runners shortens, get on relentless. It is usually a former Irish horse whose form in the UK has declined to a featherweight mark in a handicap. Cabo Salinas has all these trademarks and is the horse in his yard I see him most likely to do a job with. Keep an eye on all his runners in the market.March 28, 2002 at 21:09 #99062ALIMember
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This may seem obvious now but Tony Martin is definate’ly one to keep an eye on. My old man was pointing him out to me a few years ago, he put me onto him when he was still a bit of a dark horse, he definate’ly brought a smile to our faces on more than one occasion. With these gambling stables i think you have to pay close attention to what they are up to and try and judge for yourself what their plans are……… the money may be going down, but is it theirs, or is it a case of a few backing the horse and everyone following suit thinking its a big coup.March 28, 2002 at 22:49 #99064Slippy BlueMember
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I can`t offer any statstics but Karl Burke is obviously a very shrewd man and I always pay attention to gambles on his horses.<br>March 29, 2002 at 00:13 #99065SnodgrassMember
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I don’t know if I’d consider Barney Curley a genius – having a horse unplaced in a long series of races and then landing a big gamble in a competitive handicap generally raises a few eyebrows. Reg Akehurst was a man I used to follow in, particularly when he took a horse from another trainer. You wouldn’t go far wrong following the money with Sir Mark Prescott – he knows how to place his horses.March 29, 2002 at 23:16 #99066Merlin the MagicianMember
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Shhhheeee M C PIPE ask Chester Barnes ssshhhheeeee<br>regards MERLINApril 9, 2002 at 22:44 #99067Boggles BackMember
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just thought this was worth bringing to the front. Have a read of my post on March 28th then look at the last race at Warwick. Makes interesting readingApril 10, 2002 at 07:11 #99068SalMember
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I was stood near the connections at Goodwood when one of Karl Burke’s won at quite a decent price (I’ll remember it’s name in a minute!) and they obviously had had the word on it. They practically had the Ferrari and Caribbean holiday brochures out in the winner’s enclosure. Definitely a stable to keep an eye on.
:wave:April 10, 2002 at 08:43 #99069Slippy BlueMember
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Sal I`m fairly sure you mean Little Amin,ridden by Dean Mernagh I think.<br>Backed down from 20/1 to 8/1 , won by a short head.<br>I helped myself to 16/1 after a little birdie whispered in my ear it was fit and fancied.April 10, 2002 at 09:25 #99070johnny boyMember
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With regards to Sal’s mention of indiscreet connections, I remember a good few years back standing by the parade ring at Sedgefield when a St John’s Ambulance bloke comes barrelling over from the betting ring, shouting quite loudly at a stable lad leading a horse round "Tony, Tony, is he off?" His enquiry was met by a firm shake of the head from the lad and amused looks from all around the parade ring.<br>The horse subsequently drifted in the betting before proceeding to absolutely bolt up. I just hope the stable lad didn’t need any first aid treatment that day.April 10, 2002 at 09:30 #99071robgommMember
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Boggles, the bookies seem to have run scared on that one!!April 11, 2002 at 07:08 #99072SalMember
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Thanks Slippy, Little Amin. From their reaction, I don’t think the connections were on at 8s either. ;)April 11, 2002 at 09:12 #99073SeagullMember
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Very good subject…………but one has to be a little careful but here is a few I knew about.
G.L. Moore one at Bath 2 years ago 2 people bought new mercedes from this one.
Noel Chance he openly admits thats how he got going especially in nat hunt flat races remember No Collusion<br>at Newbury that was one!
Pam Sly had one at Mussleburgh 50/1 only got beat becauses a horse in front of it fell and stopped the run it come 2nd.Broanard was the name.I got another ban from a chain of independants for that one.
Goldie does super yankees he has had 4 win all the same day but not at same track. He also had 3 win and <br>one fall at the last whilst in the lead.
L.CUMANI had Zombraddah in a maiden at Brighton opened 6/4 went to 10/11 won very easily he had mega money on it according to my source the next race it entered was the Italian Oaks which the horse also won.<br>I collected from W Hills who were on the rails that day
Ellison B. Stakis Casino Boy at Mussleburgh the owner was Ashley Carr they went up from Gatwick on awayday<br>they had 40K on at 6/4 the biggest recorded bet on the jumps at Mussleburgh …….why does an owner who lives in Sussex have some horses trained in North Yorkshire! The Sun and Star and my local paper did any article about the mystery punter as Ashley denied iany knowledge! I have the cutting from local paper still.<br>lADBROKES HAD TO GIVE ME A CHEQUE FOR THAT ONE.
A. BAILEY had one at Chester won at 16/1 but got thrown out for crossing over to quickly to the rails.He had mega dosh on.
K.C. Bailey had Alderbrook and Master Oats he brought a lot of building work with the profits
loads more but some a bit delicate to post dont want to lose any info!
<br>April 11, 2002 at 09:46 #99074SmithyMember
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Alan Bailey’s at Chester that got thrown out was Cantina (16’s into 10’s) when connections were playing up the winnings from Silence In Court in the Chester Cup – a very painful memory.
Nick Mordin (I think) did some research into this subject and if memory serves it was James Fanshawe who had the highest strike rate of horses that shortened in the betting on course. He is a very shrewd cookie and when there is support for one of his, it certainly pays to follow the cash.
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