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    stilvi
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    I put Sportsmaster up as a last throw of the dice for the Triumph but AP promptly rode him into the ground on his next start and that was the end of that plan. Quite surprised he has made the Festival at all after that but the blinkers are on tomorrow and the quicker should help. Not the most obvious winner given his mark but if by some miracle AP can get one to jump a clean round who knows?

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    aston
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    Soliwery is interesting.

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    Avatar photothehorsesmouth
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    Not very original but Kazlian for me.

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    I put Sportsmaster up as a last throw of the dice for the Triumph but AP promptly rode him into the ground on his next start and that was the end of that plan. Quite surprised he has made the Festival at all after that but the blinkers are on tomorrow and the quicker should help. Not the most obvious winner given his mark but if by some miracle AP can get one to jump a clean round who knows?

    Sportsmaster is a horse who pulls hard. Blaming AP for your Triumph loss ("rode him in to the ground") is crazy. The horse wouldn’t settle.

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    #396483
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Vendor looks to have plenty in hand on French form. If he acts on the ground should take all the beating.

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    #396488
    TomBarkley87
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    Lemon Drop Red interests me.

    #396520
    stilvi
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    I put Sportsmaster up as a last throw of the dice for the Triumph but AP promptly rode him into the ground on his next start and that was the end of that plan. Quite surprised he has made the Festival at all after that but the blinkers are on tomorrow and the quicker should help. Not the most obvious winner given his mark but if by some miracle AP can get one to jump a clean round who knows?

    Sportsmaster is a horse who pulls hard. Blaming AP for your Triumph loss ("rode him in to the ground") is crazy. The horse wouldn’t settle.

    It is no more crazy than your opinion – as per usual you just sit on a pedestal and assume your opinion is correct. AP failed to get the horse to settle which is what he is paid to do and he also rode the horse forward which effectively meant he had nothing left at the finish. The poor performance effectively ended any Triumph hopes – not quite the same as blaming AP for a bet, just a statement of fact. The assessment would not have been any different had I not backed the horse for the Triumph – you have predictably just gone for the pocket talking jibe – yawn.

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    I put Sportsmaster up as a last throw of the dice for the Triumph but AP promptly rode him into the ground on his next start and that was the end of that plan. Quite surprised he has made the Festival at all after that but the blinkers are on tomorrow and the quicker should help. Not the most obvious winner given his mark but if by some miracle AP can get one to jump a clean round who knows?

    Sportsmaster is a horse who pulls hard. Blaming AP for your Triumph loss ("rode him in to the ground") is crazy. The horse wouldn’t settle.

    It is no more crazy than your opinion – as per usual you just sit on a pedestal and assume your opinion is correct. AP failed to get the horse to settle which is what he is paid to do and he also rode the horse forward which effectively meant he had nothing left at the finish. The poor performance effectively ended any Triumph hopes – not quite the same as blaming AP for a bet, just a statement of fact. The assessment would not have been any different had I not backed the horse for the Triumph – you have predictably just gone for the pocket talking jibe – yawn.

    I don’t "presume" my opinion is correct. But on this occasion it is you Stilvi who is (imo) presuming an awful lot.

    Sportsmaster has been

    free

    in practically

    every

    race he’s run in this season. That

    fact

    is in the form book. Even the

    best jockeys

    find

    some

    hard pullers

    imposssible

    to settle. For you to

    presume

    to know the horse so well Stilvi, to know he could be

    settled

    … I find remarkable.

    Usually when there is little pace in a race and fewer runners it is more difficult to settle a horse. Today could see improvement from Sportsmaster, with so many in the field it’s likely he’ll get a good pace and have a lot of horses to settle in behind.

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    Avatar photoLone Wolf
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    I had a few quid on Gorgeous Sixty. Here’s hoping.

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    Avatar photosberry
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    Not very original but Kazlian for me.

    After the performances of Grands Cru, Balgarry and Poole Master, I am wondering if there is something amiss with Pipes lot.

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    Been a bad day…..going for Ardlui to get me out of it…I hope….2 mins to tapes up :shock:

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    Henderson 4 timer, couldn’t see Une Artiste winning after folding tamely last time and presumably preferring it softer….King’s ‘banker’ ultimately well beaten. Poor race IMO.

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    Kicking myself for not backing the winner.
    Backed it last time each way at Kempton. Made a note "Une Artiste 4th seemed to have been looked after a bit too well, but suppose it’s “pocket talk”. Not that he’d have been in the first two. My fault, shouldn’t have backed one having its third run shortly after its second. With possible other

    targets

    ahead".

    :oops:

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    #396666
    J17star
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    Henderson 4 timer, couldn’t see Une Artiste winning after folding tamely last time and presumably preferring it softer….King’s ‘banker’ ultimately well beaten. Poor race IMO.

    King’s banker was a fast finishing 3rd. Vendor got messed around alot in the mid stages, didn’t jump well and clearly needs further.
    I do think King is a very good trainer, but some of his hurdlers are dreadful jumpers.

    Anyone think Scudamore rides Cheltenham poorly? It seems time and time again his horse rolls down the hill with them all on the stretch but seemingly never gets home. I swear he forgets there is a hill.

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    Vendor probably didn’t act on the ground. Choc did exceptionally well to get my money back.

    Think Scu has allowed Grands Crus’s disappointment to get to him. It’s happened to the best of them. AP and RW included.

    Although it’s been an advantage to ride prominently this week, he’s overdone it more than once now.

    That’s three Pipe horses today who’ve travelled like the best horse and not got home.

    I’ll say this quietly, may be SBerry is right. There might be a minor virus or something.

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    Brilliant, picked her at the last second on a pure hunch; stable in form, racing weight…
    Scudamore once again went for home far too soon; anyone can make a mistake, but two races, ones after another???

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    Henderson 4 timer, couldn’t see Une Artiste winning after folding tamely last time and presumably preferring it softer….King’s ‘banker’ ultimately well beaten. Poor race IMO.

    King’s banker was a fast finishing 3rd. Vendor got messed around alot in the mid stages, didn’t jump well and clearly needs further.
    I do think King is a very good trainer, but some of his hurdlers are dreadful jumpers.

    Anyone think Scudamore rides Cheltenham poorly? It seems time and time again his horse rolls down the hill with them all on the stretch but seemingly never gets home. I swear he forgets there is a hill.

    Two words; Jordi Cruyff

    I didn’t back his mount btw.

    Lee

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