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  • #1291406
    LostSoldier3
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    As always, a huge amount of guesswork has to go into the Fred Winter.

    Can you take the Divin Bere/Master Blueyes form literally?

    Has Tony Martin saved a bit with Long Call?

    Is Dolos the annual Nicholls Fred Winter plot or is there a hole in him?

    Does Domperignon Du Lys have the pace for it?

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see any of those win, but I don’t expect to add to Dino Velvet 20/1 e/w. Alan King is especially bullish about his runner, whose pedigree is fast ground on both sides (Naaqoos/Grape Tree Flame mare). His previous visit to the track saw him serve it up to Defi from a long way out before running green and knuckling over at the last. He then opened his account with a really impressive win at Sandown. His form has been mixed since then, but I’m happy to forgive his soft ground runs given that rocky road pedigree. His run behind Don Bersy was still quite good as he was in the worst place against the Warwick pace bias and still came through for a clear second.

    He looks like a real warrior with plenty of stamina, so the big field scenario should suit ideally.

    #1291409
    Avatar photocharlie87
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    Divin Bere standout selection for me. On at 10’s and will take 5’s.

    #1291414
    ham
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    Second that on divin bere plus hes had a wind op recently also

    #1291671
    Avatar photoVautour
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    Lads, who should I back here? I’ve no Idea. Thinking about Linger e/w at 25/1 but I’ve no idea

    #1291679
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    Dinaria des Obeaux for me at 12/1 looks a likely candidate!!

    Only worry is the ground because he has never ran on anything like quick ground!!

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    ham
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    Lads, who should I back here? I’ve no Idea. Thinking about Linger e/w at 25/1 but I’ve no idea

    divin bere for me for has good substance and has had a wind op since, likely improver..

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    If you take Divin Bere’s firm with Master Blue Eyes literally he’s about 12/13lbs well in and has also had a breathing operation.

    That said I think Long Call will win. Ignoring what jockeys have said I think it’ll win.

    Never a big betting race for me but I have gone halfway on it.

    #1292095
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    Poker Play wins this

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    hayper
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    Poker Play wins this :good: hope ur right Zark, it would be boost for Charli ;-)

    #1292146
    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    I don’t spend too long on this race, but at 25’s, with 5 places available, I’ve seen enough of Flying Tiger, to give him a chance.

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    I like Dreamcatching & Dino Velvet who have both had this pencilled in for a while but talked myself into having a nibble at Project Bluebook – they think this horse is very good and the race could just be up his street.

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    Having had another closer look, Zig Zag looks very interesting. As does Diable De Sivola. Still love Poker Play though.

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    Treacherous race for punters. I respect Divin Bere but 5/1 off top weight in this? Long Call is 20lbs short, up 3 classes & 7/1! Plus Tony Martin looks out of form to me. Poker Play has the same profile as the yard’s Max Do Brazil. Flying Tiger is one of two for a yard that has never had a festival winner and may be out of form…

    Have restricted myself to Dakota Moirette E/W @ 20/1 having considered Fadas @ 28/1 (tp1, Listed French form upon which Skelton should improve by 10 if equipment sorts Wincanton problems) & Zig Zag @ 40/1 (O’Brien in form, has Leopardstown Listed form & good jockey can now claim his 3). But DM comes out top rated for me and race too dodgy to risk more than one bet!

    #1292227
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    Nietzsche should be very well suited by a strongly run race and is worth a bet at 28/1

    #1292233
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    Linger 22/1 e/w with SkyBet B-)

    #1292402
    Avatar photoGoldenMiller34
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    Well done VTC & Joe. Second dollop of egg on face for me today as Nick Williams breaks his festival hoodoo!

    #1292499
    LostSoldier3
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    I’m gutted to have missed out here. I know Nick Williams loves this race and paid special attention to his runners when making my selections, but just couldn’t make the case for them. I backed Coo Star Sivola last year too!

    Divin Bere was possibly a little unlucky, taken wide throughout and getting to the front earlier than ideal. He rallied all the way to the line and looks like he’ll need a bit further next year.

    There were all sorts of hard luck stories in a rough race in behind. I thought Dino Velvet was one of the unluckiest as he recovered well from a bad mistake at the top of the hill and never really had a clear run. He worked miracles to get 8th.

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