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there has been talk about this horse for about ten years (at least it feels like it) i heard he was better than George Washington, has five legs, wings and two heads except on Mondays and they say he’ll win all the classics by a furlong.
(Edited by schumi at 12:10 pm on Feb. 26, 2006)
Was Shamardal the best miler? He was probably better than Dubawi but I fancy he would have set the race up perfectly for Proclamation to come and do him fast and late.
IMO Sharmadel was the best miler. It was lucky to beat Hurricane Run over 10f but the form stats don’t lie.
No favourite has won the 2000 Guineas in the last 10 years, if the ground is its usual good or good to firm then Ivan Denisovitch dispite his poor runs on soft ground should not be discounted if he get the chance to race.
Flashy Wings is my antepost choice for the 1000 Guineas.
Bring it on !
Who’s going to tell George Washington he is favourite? If Sir Percy is backed off the boards and goes off favourite will that increase George Washington’s chance of winning the Guineas. Of course not. Sorry, but that is the sort of statistic that is of no use to punters whatsoever.
Welcome to the foum by thge way :cool:
<br>Maybe this year the antepost favourite might win.<br>However brilliance at 2 yrs old doesn’t always mean classic winner in May at 3 yrs old.<br>George Washington and Sir Percy might not train on as so many haven’t before.<br>be wary.
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Dubawi was class, no denying that. But he won an irish classic which was fairly uncompetetive. He also won a top French G1, but Divine P didn’t run up to scratch, Valixir was completely out of form and continued that bad form.
Shamardal won the St James incredibly easily, won the French Guineas and I just think overall he was better. They kept making excuses for Dubawi, but Shamardal didn’t do excuses.
Forget Ivan Denisovich.
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Quote: from davidjohnson on 12:56 pm on Feb. 26, 2006[br]Was Shamardal the best miler? He was probably better than Dubawi but I fancy he would have set the race up perfectly for Proclamation to come and do him fast and late. <br>
Shamardal wasn’t even regarded as the best miler in his stable!<br> He was understudy to Dubawi in the St James Palace, and only ran when the ground went against the latter.<br> Also George Washington won’t stay the Guinea’s mile on a bus; he is a sprinter who managed to stay 7f due to class and precocity.
What price will you give me?? I’ll stick a fiver on.
How on earth can you say he won’t stay?? He’s a Danehill, out of Bordighera – who was also dam to Grandera. He’ll probably get 10f.
a little confused as to how an unraced horse can be rated so highly, especially from Ballyhype…
Indeed Clive, completely agree…..but of course you will not comment likewise on the Stoute Derby horse who is second favourite despite never seen on a racetrack either….but of course I forgot hype is purely reserved for Ballydoyle/Coolmore.
As for all these "plans" being outlined on here for Pescatorio and co from people talking like they know it for a fact….hope readers are not taking them seriously….
I didn’t pluck the plans from nowhere – I had actually heard this from somebody, that he would go for the French Guineas – Derby double a la Shamardal.
If Pescatorio is so good, there is not a chance Ballydoyle will run him in the French classics. Coolmore’s success is based on English classic wins. The rest is a bonus.
Jackane, I can’t see how you can regard the running of the Prix du Jockey Club over 10f as clever. Whether rightly or wrongly, 12f races are the pinnacle of flat racing just as Cheltenham is the pinnacle of jump racing. In the long run this will be to the detriment of French racing and breeding.
(Edited by davidbrady at 11:05 pm on Feb. 26, 2006)
At first I thought it was stupid and didn;t agree with it, but having read why they did it, it is actually quite clever, as like i said, milers with an economic front running performance may just about be able to get 1m 2 1/2f, and the 1 1/2f drop in trip shouldn’t inconvenience 12f horses too much. It attracts a bigger and classier field, which brings more focus to it.
Like i said trackside, i DIDNT pluck the info from nowhere. I heard it from somewhere, but cannot remember where.
1000 Guineas 2006
1st Rumplestiltskin<br>2nd Flashy Wings<br>3rd Race for the Stars
You heard it here first!
Quote: from davidjohnson on 9:58 am on Feb. 25, 2006[br]I would imagine a trip to the raceform website is what you want. They do the official formbook. They also do a publication called Horses In Training which has almost all the yards full strings) a few notable exceptions including Godolphin who imo don’t want it in the public domain how many horses they have because we’ll see what a pigs ear they’ve made of it.<br>
Has / Does anyone here subscribe to Raceform? Is it worth the cash?
Am considering getting the 6 week package for Cheltenham & Aintree, which I think I around £45. What exactly do you get – is it just like the detailed form section of the RP but extended? Any articles? Is the folder much good?
Would appreciated some advice or opinions. Ta.
Jackane, I can’t see how you can regard the running of the Prix du Jockey Club over 10f as clever. Whether rightly or wrongly, 12f races are the pinnacle of flat racing just as Cheltenham is the pinnacle of jump racing. In the long run this will be to the detriment of French racing and breeding.
David
I don’t understand the problem with changing the PdJC to 2100 when they’ve got the 2400 race the following month.
I’d say it’s a good thing because it gives the stouter bred French colts the chance of a longer season.
Before 2005, you might be loking at a prep race, the Lupin, the Jockey Club and then a big break until the Niel & Arc.
Now, you’ve got: the prep (Noailles), the Hocquart, the Jockey Club, the Gp de Paris, Niel, Arc.
Steve
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