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Quote: from clivex on 1:50 pm on Aug. 11, 2006[br]I was refering to the compensation rather than the ban, which, if innocent, must be very frustrating
Yes but I dont think many other people apart from yourself think he is behaving like a whinging prat. Of course you are fully entitled to your opinion but it kind of looks to other people that its a personal gripe even if its not.
SHL
Absolute rubbish EC
the idea that it is some sort of class thing is laughable
and whats supposed to happen? Just pretend the case isnt happening? a reporting ban or something?
Clive,
You are just somebody who loves to jump on the band wagon and say Mr. X is guilty and thats that. You don’t what the prosecution’s evidence is based upon, yet you make a judgement on the situation. Are you sure you are not from the deep south? Hang em high….
JohnJ<br>
It may be lamentable JJD but it is nevertheless inevitable that, given the many years of speculation surrounding the activities of one K.Fallon and his chequered past, people will be forming their own judgements on the case at hand.
I suspect that, were he to get off, it wouldn’t change the opinions of many who have already made their minds up about the fellow.
Cormack,
I take your point, however most of this speculation has been formed by who, the tabloids?
JohnJ
Arlington stewards:
"Mr. Fallon’s presence on the grounds of any facility under the jurisdiction of the Illinois Racing Board calls into question the honesty and integrity of horse racing, due to his current indictment in England of conspiracy to defraud."
<br>Japan Racing Association::
"We are aware that he is not banned from riding in Hong Kong but it is the integrity matter that is the main issue.
"It does not matter whether he is banned from riding or not. Until John Egan returns to Hong Kong, there is no way he can ride in Japan.
"This is not in our rules of racing but it is our stance on the matter – it is most important to protect the integrity of Japanese racing."
<br>Both of them seem to be with the HRA when it comes to criminal law situations, racing and integrity.
<br>By contrast, among KF’s supporters in and out of the media – plus racing bodies in Ireland, France, Turkey – there is an apparent insouciance that any kind of responsibility for anything should fall at the door of those in the spotlight.  ÂÂÂ
Its as if a criminal charge of conspiracy to defraud can happen to just anyone walking along the street minding their own business….
<br>There is a big pile of damaging negative baggage hovering at the moment – not only over the individuals accused  but over the whole of racing.
Who had it in their power to prevent that shadow arising ?  ÂÂÂ
Who acted in such a way – even allowing the most innocent of motives – as to cause that shadow  to arise, and to cause everyone now to have to go to Court to clear it up, and try to clear the reputation of racing?
Whose expensive PR tack is it not to apologise in the least to the industry,  but instead to seek to put the responsibility for the whole sorry mess anywhere – with the HRA, the High Court, the Queen of Tarts, or the man in the moon – rather than the obvious place?
If it was me, I think I’d be apologising to all and sundry  –  not because I was guilty of anything, but for having done whatever I must have done because I’d recognise that (even though I might not see it myself ) logically without me there wouldn’t be the  whole sorry mess. ÂÂÂ
And I’d be trying to minimise the dust as I tried to clear it up – even if I was convinced I had done nothing wrong –  rather than going round kicking it up at every opportunity.
And, in fact, wouldn’t that be the smart thing to do ?
best regards
wit
(available for PR consultations – guaranteed to beat current supplier)<br>
If it was me, I think I’d be apologising to all and sundry – not because I was guilty of anything, but for having done whatever I must have done because I’d recognise that (even though I might not see it myself ) logically without me there wouldn’t be the whole sorry mess.
What a bizzare arguement….would you apologise if you were wrongly accused of murder, and not plead your innocence? An extreme case for sure it follows your theory.
Wit,
You have previously informed us that 60% of these cases fail. You have also told us there is is no compensation paid to "innocents" found not guilty whatever the disruption to their lives. Having read your posts France, ireland and Turkey have decided the odds are that the prosecution will fail and in any event the Fallon fall out is unlikely to damage their industry.
We have all previously agreed with you that we cannot prejudge the case because we are in ignorance of the facts.
Against this background wait for the umpires decision before you leave the crease.
It is also the modern way not to apologise for anything even if you actions, for instance, may have unwittingly caused carnage in the Middle East.
My guess is that Fallon is a lot younger and more modern than you.
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<br>Hi Aidan
The issue here isn’t the underlying offence charged, its what led to the charge being laid at all and its impact – pre-trial – on others.
Unless the defence is "mistaken identity – I was miles away", then yes even on a murder charge that one denies, there’s no inconsistency in expressing regret that others who had less or no control or involvement at all in the events concerned should be suffering by the situation that arose around one.
innocent or not, you need all the friends you can get in such situations and showng a bit of consideration for others can go a long way.
what’s the point of polarising opinion?
its not what you say about your innocence, its how you say it.
best regards
wit<br>
Wit I used think your posts were without bias but now I am not so sure.
I admit I am a Fallon fan and really miss him in everyday action
The fact that Winston was not charged by the police (but will be by the HRA) and Fallon was seems to suggest the evidence against him is stronger.<br>Only time will tell whether he is found guilty or innocent. To allow someone charged with a criminal offence to continue working in the same position would not happen in other industries. They would be suspended.
Having read your posts France, ireland and Turkey have decided the odds are that the prosecution will fail
Good for them
especially given they dont even know what hes charged with
especially given they dont even know what hes charged with
Em yeah they do, the charges are public knowledge. The HRA did not ban Fallon based on the evidence, they banned him on the charges. Fallon in his appeal to the high court stated that it was unfair the ban occurred seeing as they (the HRA) had not looked at the evidence (Fallon’s line being if they did look at all the evidence it would not hold up etc).
If Fallon was aksing them to look at the ‘evidence’ then he was, effectively, asking them to make a judgement. Clearly, that judgement must be made in court, when all the evidence will be presented in accordance with the laws of the land. <br>In the meantime, given the nature of the allegations made, it is perfectly reasonable for the HRA to prevent him riding here.
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