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Quote: from tooting on 4:00 pm on July 3, 2006[br]John,
since these charges have been hanging over him and since he moved back to Ireland it is true to say that gripes about perceived dodgy riding performances by him have pretty much ceased.
However, prior to that, and during the period under investigation, there was no end of speculation as to what a dodgepot he was.  Including from me.
It could be hypothesised that he cleaned up his act as a direct result of the investigations?<br>
And KF is the only top rider to arouse such suspicions….warranted or otherwise?
Anyway, I think I’ll wait till I see what the exact allegations are b4 I post any more…. bit of a difference between "He remarked to me that he didn’t fancy it!" (which I’ve had implied to me by several people in racing, directly and indirectly over the past thirty years!) and "He’s going to stop it!"….which I haven’t been told, but I’m pretty sure I’ve seen…and it wasn’t KF.
J
Quote: from john2345 on 3:05 pm on July 3, 2006[br]Didn’t stop me backing Yeats, Oratorio, Footsteps, Mullins Bay….and a few KF losers as well! And I certainly wasn’t the only one backing Dylan Thomas yesterday. (By the way, I DO back horses ridden by other jockeys too!)
He’s hardly going to throw a Group race or indeed a Coolmore horse is he?
He’s hardly going to throw a Group race or indeed a Coolmore horse is he?
Perhaps that shows the wisdom of focusing on top class races and ignoring the dross…?!
J
Quote: from john2345 on 12:51 pm on July 3, 2006[br]As to banning him for life – should he be found guilty – I think the courts might have something to say about his right to earn a living
I know this has already been covered by Stevedvg, but I agree with his analogy. If someone abuses the responsibility/trust that one’s form of employment comes with then the authorities do have the right to deny them the right to earn a living in that particular field. My primary school headmaster was put inside for kiddy fiddling about 3 years ago (I marked him out as a pervert to my parents 20 years ago!!!!!) – is it an abuse of his human rights to deny him the chance to work as a teacher again? Is there really anyone out there who would fight for his right to teach children again, particularly primary aged kids?
I also agree that a warning off for any jockey should also apply to training (as it does anyway). When a person is warned off they are not able to become a licensed person in racing, nor are they allowed to set foot on a racecourse nor are they allowed to work in a licensed premises [yard] except in extenuating circumstances, when they may apply to the HRA for exemption from the rule. Examples being Mick Quinn working as an assistant throughout his ban, Angel Jacobs who now works in a racing yard & DAvid Flood who is assistant to Kevin McAuliffe.
"My primary school headmaster was put inside for kiddy fiddling about 3 years ago (I marked him out as a pervert to my parents 20 years ago!!!!!) "
I’m sorry Shads, all these years I’ve accused you of after-timing and now I realise you just can’t help yourself…….it’s obviously a compulsion!!:biggrin: :cool:
Colin
I know that the background to the two cases and individuals are different but why should KF be denied the opportunity – if guilty and punished – of a second chance (Not that I think he will be found guilty….) as comparted to another who served his time as a result of a little matter in his chosen profession…… (this is a "cut & paste" from a financial website)…
"Terry Ramsden is rapidly becoming a favourite of the newspaper market reporters and the bulletin boards. But we are at a loss to understand recent events. We suspect somewhere that logic and gravity are being defied. Mr Ramsden is a convicted fraudster. He has done porridge. Emerging from his time at HM’s pleasure he has apparently become a successful racehorse owner and huge gambler on the nags. He is, we are told, a very charming and charismatic fellow. But would we trust a man with such a past to look after our money? What is more remarkable is the way that his buying into two quoted companies has seen their stock rocket on the basis of – it seems – nothing more than Mr Ramsden’s arrival…etc etc"
Or is it OK for one but not the other…??
J
Quote: from stevedvg on 1:58 pm on July 3, 2006[br]Stevie, I dont like the example of the Paedos with children. Thats a different sitation and certainly a more ugly one.
It’s a well-known and recent example of people being denied the right to go back to a particular form of employment after serving a sentence.
Because racing is so heavily reliant on income from betting, it couldn’t allow a jockey back who had been convicted of throwing races.
My point is that there will be no legal obligation to allow fallon back in the saddle.
Steve
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I know why you have used it. But for more obvious reasons that would be the case and this is certainly a different case and situation.
SHL
On a news program I saw this evening, it said that any trial would be next year.
If that’s true, does that mean that Fallon – even though not convicted – will be unable to ride in the UK for the rest of this year?
Steve
this is what happened when graham bradley was charged:
http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/news/new … earchText=
bradley’s license was GB though, and since fallon apparently can keep riding under his license in Ireland, presumably he wouldn’t be thought to have the same kind of claim to income support.
best regards
wit
(Edited by wit at 10:01 pm on July 3, 2006)
excuse me but if found guilty nothing more than lifetime exclsuion would be appropriate.
regardless of anybody’s greatness or achievements such a crime (yes its is a crime, not just in itself as fraud but greater than that because of the people it’s done against, ie, those that pay the wages, employ, etc.) should be dealt with by total exclusion.
if i could be bothered i’d drag up my previous (maybe slightly biased) rants about no smoke without fire and how many times do you need to see smoke before realising something is alight.
but i won’t, one just hopes justice will be done correctly whatever the result.
ballinger ridge
There will be an HRA hearing tomorrow to determine whether Berry can make entries before the trial, and another on Friday at which Williams, Lynch and Fallon will apply to get a licence – or approval to ride in Britain, in Fallon’s case – in the run-up to the trial.
Since it could be a year or more before the whole process is concluded, I’d suspect that they will all be cleared to ride. Whether Lynch and Williams will then suffer from the "Carter effect" and fail to get much employment is another matter.
Cheers wit- I did not know that the PRIS could pay out on loss of income. That’s what so great about this informative forum.<br>All charged jockeys and trainers can therefore be suspended without too much hardship until a verdict in the trial is reached. Good for the public to see these allegations are taken seriously.<br>What’s the betting though they will all be allowed to continue as from next week?
EC..sounds about right ;)
Got to agree with Sberry. The assertions on here that because he is a great jockey that he should somehow be treated more leniently are bizzare
I sense that this time round plod has got it right. Once bitten twice shy…
A great shame that such a fine career could be going down the pan. after all the pelasure he bought to many in the game and for his undoubted professionalism and wonderful talent, Alan Berry will possibly be sorely missed form this great sport
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