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Totally unfair IMHO. Why dont they get the players that actually played , put em in a line and fire questions at them!!??………..Footballs a simple game and no matter where Capello wanted them to play they should have had the ability to do it mto a reasonable standard…..they obviously havent………We as a nation and the players in particular have an arrogance that seems to verge on we cannot be beaten, how wrong is that. Fire pertinent questions at the wankers in white and red and see what sort of response you get!!………….Im on Capello’s side here tbh. Some of the so called pundits make me laugh as well!!
Capello’s english aint the best!!
He can talk English better than they can talk Italian!!!!
You are correct but this was always the way it was going to be. As I said on the other thread the real culprits get off scott-free. It probably isn’t even a punishment for them not to play for England again.
Personally, I would like to see some form of medieval punishment where they tour the country in stocks and are pelted with rotton fruit – mind you that would almost be too good for them.
Surely the only way for Capello to continue would be to start by getting rid of all these misfits.
But yet again why doesn’t a manager just come out and be honest? Why doesn’t he just say that England weren’t good enough?
Why does he have to come out and say he thought Rooney played ok, that he thought England played ok yesterday, and that the reason we’ve been knocked out is because the players were ‘tired’
Tired my a***
Loionel Messi played more than 70 games for Barcelona last season and is playing almost every minute of this tournament in the same fashion as he was for Barcelona.
Wayne Rooney played 44 games for United last season – yet according to Capello he is tired
As the BBC have just pointed out, Germany’s best four players (can’t remember which ones exactly) from yesterday played
more
games than Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Yet Capello says today that our players were tired
Before the tournament Capello said England were in great shape, the preperation had been perfect, the hotel/facilities are ideal, and that they were raring to go.
Today he says the reason we performed poor at this World Cup is because they were ‘tired’.
Capello would gain far more respect if he just came out and said we played below par, we weren’t good enough, simple as. To hide behind the tired excuse is extremely lame and annoying
But yet again why doesn’t a manager just come out and be honest? Why doesn’t he just say that England weren’t good enough?
Why does he have to come out and say he thought Rooney played ok, that he thought England played ok yesterday, and that the reason we’ve been knocked out is because the players were ‘tired’
Tired my a***
Loionel Messi played more than 70 games for Barcelona last season and is playing almost every minute of this tournament in the same fashion as he was for Barcelona.
Wayne Rooney played 44 games for United last season – yet according to Capello he is tired
As the BBC have just pointed out, Germany’s best four players (can’t remember which ones exactly) from yesterday played
more
games than Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Yet Capello says today that our players were tired
Before the tournament Capello said England were in great shape, the preperation had been perfect, the hotel/facilities are ideal, and that they were raring to go.
Today he says the reason we performed poor at this World Cup is because they were ‘tired’.
Capello would gain far more respect if he just came out and said we played below par, we weren’t good enough, simple as. To hide behind the tired excuse is extremely lame and annoying
Sorry, but when have you ever heard any manager directly rubbish players – it just doesn’t happen. I would love him to come out and say what did you expect from a bunch of wasters who couldn’t care less about playing for their country.
The eleven players themselves should be hauled out. First question – why were you so pathetic? See how they field the questions.
What on earth do you expect the players to say?
Upson – I’ve been in a team shipping goals all season and rarely ever played with Terry, it wasn’t easy
Milner – I had a good club season but my lack of pace and positional play was a problem
Barry – I do very little offensively and got outpaced defensively at a crucial time
Garrard – I’m an attacking midfielder/forward used to linking up with one world class striker, I was played on the left of midfield and I’m not even left-footed..
I mean, really, whatever the players didn’t achieve, they were led by something akin to a madman..stunning that people can’t see that..
Interesting opinion from Roy Keane….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldc … ds-newsxml
Think the last paragraph especially, is spot on!
But yet again why doesn’t a manager just come out and be honest? Why doesn’t he just say that England weren’t good enough?
Why does he have to come out and say he thought Rooney played ok, that he thought England played ok yesterday, and that the reason we’ve been knocked out is because the players were ‘tired’
Tired my a***
Loionel Messi played more than 70 games for Barcelona last season and is playing almost every minute of this tournament in the same fashion as he was for Barcelona.
Wayne Rooney played 44 games for United last season – yet according to Capello he is tired
As the BBC have just pointed out, Germany’s best four players (can’t remember which ones exactly) from yesterday played
more
games than Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney. Yet Capello says today that our players were tired
Before the tournament Capello said England were in great shape, the preperation had been perfect, the hotel/facilities are ideal, and that they were raring to go.
Today he says the reason we performed poor at this World Cup is because they were ‘tired’.
Capello would gain far more respect if he just came out and said we played below par, we weren’t good enough, simple as. To hide behind the tired excuse is extremely lame and annoying
Sorry, but when have you ever heard any manager directly rubbish players – it just doesn’t happen.
I would love him to come out and say what did you expect from a bunch of wasters who couldn’t care less about playing for their country.
The eleven players themselves should be hauled out. First question – why were you so pathetic? See how they field the questions.
Nobody’s asking him to come out and directly rubbish players, where do you get that idea from? Or is this just something that you want?
All I’m asking is for honesty, and for him to come out and say that the players weren’t good enough collectively and that he didn’t get things right tactically. And when you add those two up it equals poor performances.
But to come out and say that England played well and the reason we failed was because the team were tired is an absolute insult. Especially when he says this just a few weeks after saying that England were in great shape.
There’s two aspects of football management that I detest. One is a manager needlessly playing people out of position, the other is a manager to come out and say things that aren’t true, as if we are all idiots and we haven’t just seen it with our very own eyes.
Me, you and next door’s dog know that the England players weren’t good enough, the tactics were wrong, the team selections were wrong to a certain extent, and that there was disharmony in the camp. So for Capello to come out and think we didn’t see all this, and instead blame our rubbish performances on tiredness defies belief. Still shaking my head, as I have done since this tournament started lol.
"Zamorston" wrote: Interesting opinion from Roy Keane….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldc … ds-newsxml
Think the last paragraph especially, is spot on!
Here’s the same interview I think on Youtube
Interesting opinion from Roy Keane….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldc … ds-newsxml
Think the last paragraph especially, is spot on!
Here’s the same interview I think on Youtube
Shock horror… manager defends a manager… whatever next
I’m sick of this tug of war regarding laying the blame on the manager or laying the blame on the players. Both camps should take responsibility in my opinion.
I don’t know why there should be a "blame" on anyone to be honest. The players just weren’t on form at the group stage, while they were simply not good enough against a superior Germany team. It seems there has to be a reason for the poor performances. It’s like asking why Monterosso didn’t win the Irish Derby: ground, trip, having to travel?! Just wasn’t good enough.
…but it’s the English way, we must blame someone..
I find it amazing how many people were saying all along we weren’t good enough, but then when we get knocked out…all of a sudden we must find someone to blame.
Surely in their eyes we haven’t let anyone down.
I’d like anyone on here to name me one manager at any level anywhere in the World who has never played a player out of his natural position?
I’ve played football for 2o odd years, not at a bad standard either, and one thing that stands out like a soar thumb to me is even at that level the better class of players are comfortable playing anywhere.
Just because someone is right footed doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to play on the left wing.. Isn’t Lionel Messi a predominantly left footed player, but plays from the right wing. Even from the left wing Steven Gerrard still managed to find himself in 3 0r 4 good positions against Germany but was absolutely nowhere near even testing the keeper.
I would have Lampard over Gerrard in central midfield any day of the week, but that’s my own personal opinion and every one thinks differently.
In a lot of ways the England manager is on a hiding to nothing with a lot of things he does…how many people were criticising him and calling for Joe Cole to play more of a part? Well, in the 2 games he did play he was shite!
The thing that cost us in the end was our poor defending…3 of their goals was nothing to do with tactics, formation, selections…it was just poor defending. At no level should you concede straight from a goal kick, and you shouldn’t get caught with 8 men in the box with 25 minutes to play only trailing by a goal.
It wasn’t Capello’s fault that Ferdinand got injured, he replaced him with King who did ok, but then got injured himself…again not Capello’s fault. Carragher came in and didn’t do too much wrong but got himself suspended…again not Capello’s fault. We then have to rely on our 5th choice cntre-half in Upson who hadn’t had the best of seasons in all honesty, but he did ok against Slovenia and had to be the call to keep his shirt against Germany.
Unfortunately for us…having our 5th choice centre half (in a position I don’t think we are particularly strong?) and playing our 3rd different pairing in 4 games we were undone against a good German side.
We need to learn from the mistakes we’ve made both on and off the field, but I would stick with Capello.
I’ve played there a couple of times mate but have a dreadful left foot to be honest with you and I’m a centre half by trade…just did it in my early days to help out the team (as you do) I actually hit the best left footed shot of my life in one game and rattled a post that was still shaking for a good minute or two after…no idea where it came from though?
My big question to you though BB is what has Capello done wrong and how in your opinion has he under achieved, and if he is to go who should we replace him with?
Remember this is a team who is always rated 3 stone better than they actually are (according to you), who waltzed though qualifying and reached the knockout stages.
Wasn’t that a good achievement from Capello with what he was working with, considering how poorly you rate us as a team?
I’ve played football for 2o odd years, not at a bad standard either, and one thing that stands out like a soar thumb to me is even at that level the better class of players are comfortable playing anywhere.
‘That’ leve being what exactly – International? I doubt it.
When you play at internation level it’s the best of the best, the best against the best. So playing someone out of position might not appear a problem to someone who plays [whatever level you played at], but at that level it’s pivotal.
Lionel Messi is a competent attacking midfielder who can play wide right or support the attack – just like Gerrard. How many times has Messi been asked to play left midfield? And I tell you what, Argentina’s left midfield isn’t that great, but even Maradona doesn’t resort to playing people out of position at international level.
And what about Spain? How many times have you seen Fabregas or Iniesta asked to play on the left?
I could go on for ages but I’d bore you to death.
Steven Gerrard has been at the forefront of people’s thinking when it comes to the World and European Player of the Year for the last six or seven seasons. Tell me, how many times did even the Barmy Rafa play Gerrard on the left of midfield?
And you think playing out of position shouldn’t be a problem just because it isn’t a problem a ‘your’ level. Seriously Zam, you need to be reincarnated as an English central midfielder, and then get asked to play out wide. Then tell us how you feel.
I can almost guarantee that when Gerrard next releases a book he will absolutely ridicule the decision by Capello to play him out wide. Mark my words on this; the Steven Gerrard we saw in South Africa wasn’t a happy bunny, not a happy bunny at all… and I’m talking off the field.
Spot on re Garrard there.
When you receive the ball 25-30 yards out on the left touchline, what do you do? Gerrard instinctively prefers his right foot, and whilst he’s fast he’s not winger fast. So what do you do. Barry passes you the ball (and then he stands still).
OK go.
Well you’re immediately closed down by your marker. Gerrard has no real intention of going down the line because a) he’s probably not fast enough and b) he won’t want to cross it with his left foot.
Come on the nation is waiting
The right winger, you notice, is coming back at you already, wow, where do I go, he thinks. He can flick it round the corner to Rooney, who is having his shorts felt up, but as per before you ain’t too interested in going down the line so you follow your run inside, and you run smack into the holding midfielder player even if you retain possession. Luckily Barry wins it back, and gives it you back.
Do something.
Ok you go for the 1-2 down the line, get there, then faint the cross (as he so often does) and then he crosses it with his right foot. The rest of the time he’s cutting in-field, on the run, hounded, trying to hit a magic shot from 25 yards because there’s bugger all else going on.
As pointed out above..how on earth does any manager think that that is the best way to utilise one of the best central attacking midfielders of a (Premiership) generation? As stated, even the dreadful Benitez wasn’t that daft!!
I’d love to be reincarnated as an England midfielder..
Put it this way…if I was I would cut off my right arm to play anywhere on the field…I wouldn’t sulk and moan about it I’d be totally honoured to represent my country and give absolutely everything I had for my manager, team mates and my country.
Gerrard started out left because he wasn’t considered good enough to start central and was in the manager’s opinion the best option for the left. It’s not the first time and Capello’s not the first manager to employ this tactic either, so figure that one out…
Gerrard may well be a hero for Liverpool but IMO has never transferred that kind of performance to an England shirt when playing central and as I said earlier I would have Frank Lampard in that position over Gerrard every day of the week. That’s just my own personal opinion though, and funnily enough that of the last two or three England managers too (pretty good manager’s with good records to boot!)
To be fair to Gerrard though, despite being named on the left I thought he was allowed a bit more freedom than that and was still able to get in plenty of good positions in and around the box and had plenty of very good goalscoring chances, certainly more than you would expect an orthodox left winger to have.
And the pattern of play suffered hugely because of it.
If you don’t understand just how crucial that is..well..there’s no debate to be had
Ze English just don’t get it, in 10 years we’ll be saying, oh now, who can fill the left hand side roll, that Smith could do a job out there…
Utterly pointless, it’s not about the players, it’s about the pattern of play, as I’ve tried to show with my last post.
And people have to give this "I’d give everything and all my heart" crap a rest, nothing to do with it.
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