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I have just witnessed some angry mob whilst driving home and have also heard in my local that the thug element are making their way down to "have a wee demonstration".
Death is iminent!
Not the normal one, but two helicopters now hovreing above lollys towers!
My kids (16 and 18) are going to stay in tonight!!
The 16 yearold has now worked it out that he can "watch it all kick off from Harrow and Wealdstone railway bridge".
He is now in the garage cleaning my golf clubs!!!!
LM
Just a thought, but tonight is Laylat Al-Qadr (Night of Power) which starts the last 10 days of Ramadan.
The Quran describes it as "a night in the month which is … better than a thousand months". Idea is that if a believer has been slacking earlier on, now is the time to start putting it right.
Not unusual to see hordes of the faithful congregating and milling about outside waiting for dusk on such a night, men in a group separate from women.
Likely see the same again when Eid starts in 10 days.
Both evenings can be intimidating for non-Muslims in cities of the West with heavy concentrations of Muslims, who won’t particularly be aware of the calendar and might easily think its a mob forming.
best regards
wit
…..on the other hand, the Aussie press is reporting this in Harrow as breaking news :
Stephen Gash of the SIOE – whose motto is "Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense" – said before the demo: "We don’t want any more mosques until all this hatred is sorted out."
There’s something almost poetic about that paragraph. I suspect it’s the word "Gash" if I’m honest.
Wit.
I dont think for one minute that these people were outside the mosque for any reason but to demonstrate. I think the banners they were holding would back me up on that.
I also think the SIOE demonstrators were basically thugs who were out for trouble, as there meeting place was the biggest pub in Harrow.
And I have to say that it seems the police did a good job in stopping what I thought was going to be a full on riot.These folk are all as bad as each other, they all need to just get a life.
You’ve got the white racists on one side winding it all up trying to cause a fight and on the other you’ve got these ‘so-called’ muslims who are as racist as the whites up for a fight.
The police should have battered the lot of them.
The police should have battered the lot of them.
Amen to that! Not enough summary justice going about these days.
Nazis on both sides, some people in the middle simply at odds not wanting another mosque as opposed too folk who want a place too pray. Perhaps the the people in the middle of all this need too go have a coffee and set out their reasons for and against this buildng then we might have calm ay if getting through this.
One could be using building materials as the surrounding buildings to allow the building too blend in with its surroundings, some mosques in other parts of the country don’t and they look out of place in context with those buildings around them. Ask for other options for other viable venues in the town with the space too accomadate the number of worshipers in the town on a regualr basis? Is a five storey building actally needed? Can the local transport links and car parking provison cope with the numbers of people atteneding on say a busy Friday? What benifits will the mosque bring too non muslems in the area besides an increase in passing trade for local shops?
Basically folk need too talk this through calmly and both sides need too be prepared too listen and comprise other wise the exstremists on both sides will have won.
Its all well and good saying we dont want it, but optiosn do theseHi Marb.
I hope you dont mind me calling you marb!
Lollys towers has been on the market for nearly a year now. 2 buyers later, i am still more frusterated than ever about the town in which i was born, but have now come to terms with the fact that I have to move away just like the other 90 percent of the Harrovians have done.
Its wierd because i now see Harrow in a different way.
Im not so angry or bitter because i now think let the newbies have what they want. They will always win over the councilors and local MPs, because the council will get their votes.
So i am down sizeing to find a better quality of life. Even though my parents who i love, have moved away to the coast and whom i will now be lucky if i see then twice a year, it has to be.Your truly.
Lolly.
Not a racist, but one who hates immigration!Yp.
The mosque is so out of character to the area and was only granted planning for 4 storeys . Its now 5 storeys high has a huge green dome thingy and a spire that it higher than the spire of Harrows landmark church opposite Harrow School.
It’s basically 2 fingers up all the planners, all the local non muslims and a big F.off to anyone who tries to have a demonstration against anything Islamic.
There is also a room described as a "Sharia courtroom".It sounds like Im getting angry again!!!!
But imover it!
Harrow Council should order them too sort the job out too or shut the place and get the buldozer in. Sharia courts operate here as abirtrators, this both parties have too agree too abide by it if they agree too enter into prodceadings. In the north councilers regularly flatten houses that flout planning laws, though it takes years before they do.
YP.
I dont think Harrow planning will do a thing as this mosque is opposite Harrow civic centre (town hall). And the council have paid for nearly half of it. That means that I have paid for some of it!!!!
Basically, the world seems to scared to say anything against islamic. As i have stated on this forum before.
And then got accused as being a racist bigot!!You know who you are! Remember????
There is a huge (and rather stunning) Hindu temple in Neasden that doesnt attract adverse comment. Are we being unfair to the mosques?
Its a difficult one. The problem is our perception of islam which is that it is inherantly hostile to our society and values. And whilst many will claim that "its only a minority", theres plenty of evidence that the minority is very significant indeed
Fears of extremist Islam, I can understand and I share. But that doesn’t particularly have anything to do with the building of mosques. From an aesthetic point of view, as Clivexx pointed out, they are likely to be no better or worse than any other building. I wouldn’t go to one, but then I wouldn’t go to church either. A mosque is no different to a church, as far as I can see and people should be free to worship as they choose, provided they obey the law of the land.
From an architectural/aesthetic point of view, I’d be more concerned about the proliferation of gaudy supermarkets, fast-food outlets and the remnants of the dreadful sixties-style monstrosities that are a particular feature of some towns and cities.
That said, I don’t live in Harrow, so my comments can only be general.
Being someone with very strongly socially liberal views, I would also be concerned about not just extreme islams influence in this country. As we saw with the ludicrous religous hatred law, there is a risk that political influence will increase and some of the beliefs that guide supposedly moderate islam look pretty extreme to me
I wonder if a islamic dominated council (and we will see those soon enough) would approve the building of a synagogue in its area? or even a church?
That’s a good question, Clive, but presumably an ‘Islamic-dominated’ council wouldn’t just be able to turn down such a planning application on ‘religious’ grounds. And if they did, surely it would be open to legal challenge?
Anyway, I don’t really want to get into a lengthy discussion on the nature of Islam, something about which I am far from an expert. Personally, I feel alienated from anyone who is devoutly religious. But my experience of living with and working with Muslims (of different ages, backgrounds and outlooks) has been good. I certainly wouldn’t have any objection if a mosque were to be built where I live. The same applies to temples, synagogues and churches.
A personal opinion only. I’m sure others have different views.
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