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If Master of Hounds ran on Bute it may be difficult to reproduce that form in the Belmont. They say the second race on Bute does not give the boost that the first one does.Can anyone confirm this?
Andy – I only read he was on Lasix and nothing about bute but I suppose if they are all at it then why disadvantage yourself. Completely inhuman running an injured horse on painkillers to be honest.
Apparently Lasix was originally created to help reduce bleeding but it acts as a diuretic which means the horses lose a lot a water just before the race when they are given the injections on the day. Apparently this is said to give them some kind of performance enhancing effect as well. Giving lasix in the run up can speed up withdrawal of non permitted drugs too, apparently.
They used to give the horses some kinds of steriods but luckily this was banned. i always thought Curlin looked way too muscled as a 4 year old and his trainer (Todd Pletcher i think?) was really into piling those things into his horses. As a rule I tend to think American horses are bulkier than European horses.
Admiral I loved Admiral of the red performance and had him shortlisted as potential Derby winner but he had a poor debut and missed the 3/1 on Sunday.
I think he could be a right Leger horse…potential to improve a lot.
Unlucky for you then, I never put money on myself so the satisfaction is personal rather than financial in nature!
Do you know where I may watch a re run of the race please? I was looking a pictures of him on racingpost.com and I expected him to be chestnut but he’s a lovely bright red bay colt.
I similarly picked out Joshua tree (as my horse is called josh!) on his name alone before he even hit a racecourse and I was very happy when he turned out good enough to win a G2 and a G1!
Exact same policy with Little Josh before his big Handicap win…maybe I am on to something! not very mathematical though
I may be ignorant but I did not see any star quality in WDs performance in the maiden and he is not fashionably bred.
His sire’s highest rating is 125 which does not bode well for him in terms of being world class.
Same goes for Cape Cross and Kingmambo
Kingmambo
El Condor Pasa Sadler´s Wells 134
King´s Best Lombard 131
Henrythenavigator 128
Dubai Destination 126And I am insulted you ignored my favourite Cape Cross colt 138!
To be fair I think STS was a bit of a freak for his sire and his talent had more to do with the exceptional Urban sea than any consistent ability to produce champions by the sire.
You did miss Mark of Esteem who produced Sir Percy and his highest rated horse is only 121. He seems to be the only one in recent memory who has no produced a horse over 125 before his derby winner.
Dylan Thomas should have won that year anyway if he had been ridden better.
Correct me if I find anything!
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the sire’s personal best RPR on the track. But you’re referring to the sire’s previous progeny. Not really sure why that’s relevant. I’d argue all day long that the conduit side is responsible for most Derby winners. 14 of the last 16 winners were out of an unraced or blacktype mare.
I disagree in that I think the sire’s record of producing high quality runners is VERY relevant in terms of the stats trends amongst Derby winners.
Is there much stamina in WDs distaff line?
Derby. Hala Bek. Still got the AP ticket. Its each-way. I still can’t fathom how it is worth zero. I’m still gutted. Please refrain from discussing Sir Percy’s Derby.
Did they not pay four places Peru? That Derby turned out to have no form in it because some good horses ran way down the field but overall it was not a quality field bar Dylan Thomas
STill I was sad for the Pakenhams that they chose to keep Percy in training because they were small time owners and his form for stud after his 3yo year was really undermined by his 4yo form.
You must have been sad when they never got Hala Bek right again.
Street Cry has produced a top class stayer and Melbourne Cup winner in Shocking, and a terrific turf miler Whobegotyou down under.
Harrrrh Admiral. You are correct, lasix it is, not th other stuff. I do believe he ran on lasix at Kentucky. The bounce factor may still apply. Will he stay the Belmont distance?
I disagree in that I think the sire’s record of producing high quality runners is VERY relevant in terms of the stats trends amongst Derby winners.
Is there much stamina in WDs distaff line?
His full-brother finished 2nd over 14f and ran in 2 Grade 3 Handicaps over 12f.
Empire Maker has produced 2 horses with a RPR above 120, 122 and 125.
Derby. Hala Bek. Still got the AP ticket. Its each-way. I still can’t fathom how it is worth zero. I’m still gutted. Please refrain from discussing Sir Percy’s Derby.
I have absolutely no idea. As unlucky a horse as I’ve ever seen.
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Derby. Hala Bek. Still got the AP ticket. Its each-way. I still can’t fathom how it is worth zero. I’m still gutted. Please refrain from discussing Sir Percy’s Derby.
That goes double for me. Still mystified!
Fallon pretending Seville is Aidan O Briens no.1 haha!!!!!!!. LOL!!!
Thats why AOB booked a total Epsom tit in the belgian to ride him.
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