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Lets not go making knee jerk reactions about Cape Blanco or St Nicholas Abbey being O’Brien’s number one Jan Vermeer for whatever reason didn’t run to form today he is better than that.
Workforce was awesome today its impossible not to be impressed with that performance.
Knee Jerk? Cape Blanco beat Workforce in the Dante, beat him very well, based on form, he was number one of Aidan’s horses IMO.
JohnJ
We’ve seen a special horse today.
Congratulations to Mr Stoute on surely one of the best training performances in living memory. The Australian noseband did the trick and no doubt the Lingfield exercise was instrumental too but to bring the horse on that far in the few weeks since the Dante is brilliance.
Kings Best got upset and pulled too hard in the Craven. Remember Stoute taking the big horse to Sandown on a raceday to help settle him; walked around the parade ring. Much better behaved in the 2000, wizzed in.
Master trainer.
Value Is EverythingHe’s probably shown a similar level of form to Motivator and Authorized so I wouldn’t go to overboard about the Arc.
Lets not go making knee jerk reactions about Cape Blanco or St Nicholas Abbey being O’Brien’s number one Jan Vermeer for whatever reason didn’t run to form today he is better than that.
Workforce was awesome today its impossible not to be impressed with that performance.
Knee Jerk? Cape Blanco beat Workforce in the Dante, beat him very well, based on form, he was number one of Aidan’s horses IMO.
JohnJ
Workforce improved bundles from York.
If you want to see where Cape blanco would’ve finished, take a look where Coordinated Cut finished.
Based on form, Cape Blanco would not have beaten Workforce.That’s if (BIG IF) Cape Blanco, who’s out of a sprinter, from a sprinters family, would’ve stayed.
Value Is EverythingLets not go making knee jerk reactions about Cape Blanco or St Nicholas Abbey being O’Brien’s number one Jan Vermeer for whatever reason didn’t run to form today he is better than that.
Workforce was awesome today its impossible not to be impressed with that performance.
Knee Jerk? Cape Blanco beat Workforce in the Dante, beat him very well, based on form, he was number one of Aidan’s horses IMO.
JohnJ
That wasn’t Workforce’s form though was it given what he’s done to Coordinated Cut today. He barely beat him at York.
He’s probably shown a similar level of form to Motivator and Authorized so I wouldn’t go to overboard about the Arc.
May be Jan Vermeer ran below form. May be Rewilding did not act on the ground. But this is a much better than average Derby winner. The time (not the course record, but compared to other times on the day) tells you that. No other time in the two days came close.
Value Is EverythingLets not go making knee jerk reactions about Cape Blanco or St Nicholas Abbey being O’Brien’s number one Jan Vermeer for whatever reason didn’t run to form today he is better than that.
Workforce was awesome today its impossible not to be impressed with that performance.
Knee Jerk? Cape Blanco beat Workforce in the Dante, beat him very well, based on form, he was number one of Aidan’s horses IMO.
JohnJ
That wasn’t Workforce’s form though was it given what he’s done to Coordinated Cut today. He barely beat him at York.
So basically what your saying is that Workforce would have beaten Cape Blanco today and Cape Blanco would have finished 4 lengths ahead of Coordinated Cut. Obviously Cape Blanco has no reason to have progressed since the Dante.
Ginger,
I don’t think he was stopping in the Dante, I look forward to seeing Workforce and Cape Blanco re-oppose.
JohnJ
As I mentioned in my last post, the sire of Workforce, King’s Best, was a half-brother to Urban Sea, who was the dam of Galileo and Sea The Stars.
What a family!!
Well done to all those who backed the winner. I was impressed with his debut and the Dante showed plenty of promise, but was not convinced about him handling the course.
Please accept my apology, but I am going to put a dampener on things.
A few things I’ve noticed watching the race again:
It’s clear from the time of the race that Seamie Heffernan judged his ride to perfection on At First Sight. He set an even tempo from start to finish – not too slow, not too fast. It was a wonderful piece of riding.
Bullet Train followed him through, but was beaten far too convincingly for that to be his true running. Henry Cecil’s Oaks duo disappointed yesterday, so perhaps his horses aren’t firing on all cylinders.
Workforce was the only challenger to emerge from the pack with any conviction. Here’s what I found to be most interesting…
Entering the descent into Tattenham Corner, Workforce and Rewilding were matching strides, Ryan kicked on and the response was almost immediate. Frankie’s horse didn’t appear to handle it too well and lost several lengths. Whilst Workforce appeared to quicken better than anything down the straight, he never dramatically increased his advantage over the eventual third from the three furlong pole, despite Rewilding pitching.
Have a look at the aerial replay and examine the respective positions of these two colts from the three furlong pole. Workforce increased his advantage, but not in the manner I initially thought he did.
Workforce went past At First Sight well inside the final two furlongs, who you would have thought was coming to the end of his tether by this stage, with the Godolphin colt nearly snatching second on the line.
The Ballydoyle duo ran hightly respectable races in fourth and fifth, but Johnny said he was never happy on Jan Vermeer and Midas Touch perhaps didn’t handle the course.
The winner is clearly very, very good, but the best 3YO doesn’t always win The Derby, but rather, the best horse to handle the conditions of the race.
I said in my preview that I considered him more of an Irish Derby type and the race is his for the taking. Looking ahead, I can see him adding a race like the Juddmonte to his CV, although I’m sure Aidan O’Brien will aim Cape Blanco and perhaps St Nicholas Abbey at the York contest. I would fancy Fame And Glory to beat him in the King George (shot me!) and Planteur is my idea of the Arc winner. The Elie Lellouche-trained colt beat Rewilding very comfortably in the Prix Noailles and he held the form up well today, despite not handling Epsom as well as I thought he would.
I said in my preview that Midas Touch would be an ideal Leger type and I maintain that opinion. Jan Vermeer is better than that and Al Zir will be an awesome 4YO.
A great training performance and a great effort in the saddle from Ryan Moore. Well done, Workforce. Should be more to come.
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SIRPERCY…There was once a piece on winners with 8 letters!
Breeders/Owners used to favour 9 for luck! – Motivator!
Ted Spread!
Workforce!
If anyone is throwing darts at a board it is Abdullah. I got the distinct impression that faced with Thommo’s microphone after Lingfield Cecil wanted to tell him that Bullet Train was most likely to be heading for Royal Ascot. The fact that they are both turning up at Epsom would seem to suggest that one doesn’t have a massively better chance than the other. The horse to take out of the Dante was the winner which should give O’Brien a pretty good line to the form.
Some bullseye, eh Stilvi?
Tremendously impressive, and almost certainly a worthy favourite for the Arc.
The rest were much of a muchness though, and the 100/1 2nd is almost certainly flattered. Given a soft lead for much of the way, he skipped clear before anything else was put in the race seriously, and looks cetain to be overbet for somthing like the Irish Derby.
Workforce 1st; the rest nowhere!Nothing more pathetic than people who gloat after an event.
Yes, the winner was impressive, a slightly more impressive performance than your own in tipping the first, fifth and last in a field of twelve.
It’s clear from the time of the race that Seamie Heffernan judged his ride to perfection on At First Sight. He set an even tempo from start to finish – not too slow, not too fast. It was a wonderful piece of riding.
Agreed 100%, a wonderful ride! I felt so sorry for him that At First Sight didn’t hold on to win
I didn’t have a bet in the race myself but Mrs CS was on the winner.
On the strength of today I will be backing Cape Blanco tomorrow howeverTalking about fantatsic breeding, how about Dalghar, a full brother to Daylami and Dalkhani, running tomorrow in France
Half-brother actually (and Daylami and Dalakhani weren’t full brothers either). Also, wrong forum.
THE DERBY:
So often, the derby winner is a horse who doesn’t just have the ability (clearly, several of these colts do), but is peaking at the right time. To me, 7 horses seem to have the potential: Al Zir, Azmeel, Bullet T, Johannes V, Midas T, Rewilding & Workforce.I don’t feel that either of the Juddmonte horses is peaking well (I recall both trainers sounding lukewarm about running them after their respective trials). I also don’t think that JV is peaking; he was an uncertain runner for a long time, and various mild injuries/setbacks have been mentioned suggesting that his prep has not been particularly smooth. Of course, an outstanding colt will overcome a jagged prep and triumph anyway, but it seems unlikely that JV is one of those. I haven’t really gotten a read on Al Zir.
To me, Midas T, Rewilding and Azmeel all seem like they might be hitting Epsom tomorrow at the right time.
Half-brothers not good enough for you, Olebahram? Thanks for putting me right about where I was wrong, though.
He won the Group 3 today by 2 1/2 lengths. Not that this is the right thread to mention it….
Talking about fantatsic breeding, how about Dalghar, a full brother to Daylami and Dalkhani, running tomorrow in France
Half-brother actually (and Daylami and Dalakhani weren’t full brothers either). Also, wrong forum.
THE DERBY:
So often, the derby winner is a horse who doesn’t just have the ability (clearly, several of these colts do), but is peaking at the right time. To me, 7 horses seem to have the potential: Al Zir, Azmeel, Bullet T, Johannes V, Midas T, Rewilding & Workforce.I don’t feel that either of the Juddmonte horses is peaking well (I recall both trainers sounding lukewarm about running them after their respective trials). I also don’t think that JV is peaking; he was an uncertain runner for a long time, and various mild injuries/setbacks have been mentioned suggesting that his prep has not been particularly smooth. Of course, an outstanding colt will overcome a jagged prep and triumph anyway, but it seems unlikely that JV is one of those. I haven’t really gotten a read on Al Zir.
To me, Midas T, Rewilding and Azmeel all seem like they might be hitting Epsom tomorrow at the right time.
Half-brothers not good enough for you, Olebahram? Thanks for putting me right about where I was wrong, though.
He won the Group 3 today by 2 1/2 lengths. Not that this is the right thread to mention it, mind you.
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Just popping in to say well done Workforce backers.
I’ll sit down and analyse the race later.
MRW
imo jan vermeer doesnt stay. think aob has got it all wrong, should of run cape blanco in england, and jan vermeer in france!!
As someone who was backing Cape Blanco since september, I am even more gutted about the result. If anyone else had that horse it would have gone Epsom. Aidan, I hope you are feeling down tonight, you should be Sir!
Congrats to Sir Michael Stoute, a true legend in the game, and to the champion jockey, just wish for racings sake the boy could show some emotion after victory, some personality, please Ryan, for Racing for Change’s sake!
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