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  • #14310
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    Entries revealed

    ABRASIVE (IRE) William Haggas
    ALBURJ (USA) Dermot Weld IRE
    AMEER (IRE Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    ANCIENT KINGDOM (USA) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    ANHAR (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    APRES VOUS (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    ARABIAN HISTORY (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    AT FIRST SIGHT (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    ATLANTIS STAR Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    AVERROES (IRE) Clive Cox
    AWAIT THE DAWN (USA) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    AWSAAL John Dunlop
    AZMEEL John Gosden
    BAB AL SHAMS (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    BEETHOVEN (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    BEHTARINI (IRE) John Oxx IRE
    BIG OCCASION (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    BITTER MAN (IRE) Mick Channon
    BLISSFUL MOMENT (USA) Sir Michael Stoute
    BOLD QUEST (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    BOMBADERO (IRE) Inc John Dunlop
    BRIDGE MOUNTAIN (USA) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    BRIGHT HORIZON Aidan O’Brien IRE
    BURJ NAHAR Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    BURNETT (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    CAPE BLANCO (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    CAPTAIN JAMES COOK Aidan O’Brien IRE
    CARRAIGLAWN (IRE) Jim Bolger IRE
    CHABAL (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    CHINK OF LIGHT Andrew Balding
    CLEAR ALTERNATIVE (IRE) Dermot Weld IRE
    CLEARWATER BAY (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    COASTAL WELLS (IRE) Out of training
    COORDINATED CUT (IRE) Michael Bell
    COSMO MEADOW (IRE) Shigenori Hatakeyama JPN
    DANCE AT DAWN (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    DESERT MYTH (USA) Sir Michael Stoute
    DEUX ETOILES (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    DIBIR (FR) Jean Claude Rouget FR
    DON CARLOS (GER) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    DYNASTY Aidan O’Brien IRE
    EDINBURGH KNIGHT (IRE) Paul D’Arcy
    EMIRATES DREAM (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    ENCOMPASSING (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    ESHTYAAQ Marcus Tregoning
    ETON FOREVER (IRE) Michael Jarvis
    FAIR TRADE David Elsworth
    FALCON FLIGHT (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    FAREEJ (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    FENCING MASTER Aidan O’Brien IRE
    FIGHTING BRAVE (USA) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    FLYING CROSS (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    GARTH MOUNTAIN David Elsworth
    GOMRATH (IRE) Mick Channon
    GREEN LIGHTNING (IRE) Mark Johnston
    GREYFRIARSCHORISTA Greyfriars UK Ltd Mark Johnston
    GUMND (IRE) Clive Brittain
    HIGH TWELVE (IRE) John Gosden
    HOT PROSPECT Michael Jarvis
    IBN SINA (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    JAN VERMEER (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    JOSEPH LISTER John Gosden
    JOSHUA TREE (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    KING’S WARRIOR (FR) Gary Moore
    LATANSAA Marcus Tregoning
    LORD HIGH ADMIRAL (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    MAKANI (GER) Jonathan Pease FR
    MEINER GUT (JPN) Ryuichi Inaba JPN
    MIDAS TOUCH Aidan O’Brien IRE
    MIKHAIL GLINKA (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    MONT AGEL Michael Bell
    MORANA (IRE) Peter Chapple-Hyam
    MUBTASSIM Freddie Head FR
    MUFARRH (IRE) John Dunlop
    MULTAMES (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    MUTASAREB (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    NEXT MOVE (IRE) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    NIBANI (IRE) Sir Michael Stoute
    NO HUBRIS (USA) Paul Cole
    ORIGINAL QUEST (IRE) Mark Johnston
    PASSING THE TORCH (IRE) Luca Cumani
    PEKAN STAR Michael Jarvis
    PEKAN THREE (IRE) Paul Cole
    PETER MARTINS (IRE) Luca Cumani
    POINT NORTH (IRE) Jeremy Noseda
    POWERFUL MELODY (USA) Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    PRINCE OF DREAMS William Knight
    PROMPTER Michael Bell
    PURPLE HEART (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    QUEST FOR GOLD Aidan O’Brien IRE
    RAIN FOREST Aidan O’Brien IRE
    RASMY Marcus Tregoning
    ROCKET MAN (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    RUBI DIA Mark Johnston
    SAIL BOAT (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    SCOTTISH REEL (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    SEPTEMBER MORN (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    SHERNANDO Mark Johnston
    SIDPOUR (IRE) Jean Claude Rouget FR
    SILVER FOX (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    SNOW BLIZZARD (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    SOUR MASH (IRE) Luca Cumani
    SPACE AND TIME (IRE) Jim Bolger IRE
    SPEARTOOTH Pascal Bary FR
    ST NICHOLAS ABBEY (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    STAR OF THE SHOW Aidan O’Brien IRE
    STEINBECK (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    STUNNING VIEW (IRE) Dermot Weld IRE
    TAJAARUB Barry Hills
    TAMAATHUL Barry Hills
    TED SPREAD Mark Tompkins
    TEXAN STAR (IRE) John Gosden
    THEOLOGY Jeremy Noseda
    TREASURE TOWN Saeed bin Suroor UAE
    TROVARE (USA) Amanda Perrett
    VICEROY (IRE) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    VISCOUNT NELSON (USA) Aidan O’Brien IRE
    VITA VENTURI (IRE) Jim Bolger IRE
    WASEET John Dunlop
    YOUM JAMIL (USA) Brian Meehan
    YUME YUME YUME (IRE) Ryuichi Inaba JPN
    ZULU PRINCIPLE Dermot Weld IRE

    Do i see a Japan Horse entered?…..COOOLL!!!!!! :o :o :o

    #280683
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    Yume Yume Yume
    I’ve got love in my tummy

    edit: I’ve got the lyrics wrong, or should that be I got the lyrics wrong? :oops:
    I got love in my tummy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozqfOzqMvlQ

    #280686
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    Good grief! 3 Japanese entries. Someone’s been doing some marketing.

    #280687
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    Ha Gerald.

    Plenty of entries to go through. Any idea the best of British(without Godolphin)

    #280689
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    Haven’t looked at the race since the New Year. Zarkava’s your man, and maybe Darren if he doesn’t just concentrate on the Irish ones.

    Workforce, but he’ll have to get supplemented later.

    #280704
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    Hadn’t look at this entry stage before. There weren’t supplements, so the Japanese horses were all entered as yearlings. The only horse that was unnamed a couple of months ago that has stood its ground is the now named

    Dibir

    . As it is by Shamardal out of a Linamix mare, trained by Rouget, and owner-bred by the Aga Khan, it would be nice if someone forewarns us of when he makes his debut, so we can follow his progress.

    Horses with a RPR of 100+, who either weren’t entered in the first place and would need to be supplemented, or have been withdrawn at this stage are:-
    Kingsfort
    Passion For Gold
    Pounced
    Vale Of York
    Elusive Pimpernel
    Poet’s Voice
    Alfred Nobel
    Air Chief Marshall
    Termagant
    Al Zir
    Dancing David
    Lucky General
    Eightfold Path
    Zeitoper
    Al Ghazal

    Quite a few miler-types amongst that lot though.

    Now to do a count of how many horses I still need to do the pedigree details of, having given up having to do 400 or so horses a couple of months ago . . .

    #280716
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    Okay, I’ve already got the pedigree details for the Derby entries that had a RPR of 90+ at the end of the Flat season. (32 horses)

    The first thing I’m going to do is very dodgy. I’m going to chuck all the horses with a dam’s Genetic Strength Value of less than 68. (Now left with 16 horses.) This is dodgy for a couple of reasons. First of all the values are as of 2005, so they are a bit out-of-date, and the author has changed his methodology in the meantime as well. Also, I don’t know to what extent the figures for past Derby winners have been backformed, in that "Oh he/she bred a Derby winner, so we’ll bump up their gentic values".
    I’m eager to use this measure though as it dumps St Nicholas Abbey, which is great fun! It also gets rid of Joshua Tree, Chabal, Cape Blanco, Azmeel and Jan Vermeer! :shock:

    The other major measure I’m going to use is to dump all the horses with a combined sire and damsire Stamina Index of less than 19f. (This would have eliminated Sea The Stars last year, but in other years it tends to be okay.)

    The final measure only gets rid of one horse: those with more than 1 more Speed than Stamina points on the Conduit Mare profile figures.

    Left with

    314 Midas Touch
    134616 Beethoven
    12 Fencing Master
    10 Coordinated Cut
    12 Anhar
    31128 Viscount Nelson
    2215 Morana
    81 Multames

    Bedtime. Will go through that 8 tomorrow evening.

    #280721
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    Suprised Nebula Storm not in entries as looked a smart horse on 2nd start.

    Wallace as you know i am the biggest fan of ST Nicholas Abbey i can’t see any horse beating him.Unless he does not handle fast ground or Epsom course he will not get beat.

    #280724
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    Yes where is Nebula Storm?

    Must have met with a setback….without a doubt.

    That Aga Khan horse Oxx entered has no chance….could be a St Leger horse….too slow to win any race unless over marathon trips

    #280736
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    Yes where is Nebula Storm?

    Must have met with a setback….without a doubt.

    That Aga Khan horse Oxx entered has no chance….could be a St Leger horse….too slow to win any race unless over marathon trips

    I heard Nebula Storm pulled up lame after the Leopardstown maiden. Not sure if that’s the reason he’s not entered up.

    Oxx definitely has no star among the Classic generation this year. Behtarini is an Alandi/Kastoria/Mourayan type alright. Triumph Hurdle 2011?!

    Anyone know if Arazan will be back in training as a 4yo?

    #280739
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    Yup according to Oxx he was back next year.

    Its going to be a very surreal year on the Flat in 2010 i think

    #280744
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    Back to the Coolmore/Ballydoyle domination of 2008 methinks. What price Aidan for the 5 classics at the Curragh?

    #280775
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    Fencing Master

    for me. Dewhurst run shows that he has plenty of class. He is physically impressive and has loads of scope. Plenty of stamina on the dam side and his sire Oratorio saw out 10f really well and should give a degree of stamina to his progeny.

    So all in all we have a classy, scopey, likely stayer trained by AoB @ 25/1+. That’ll do for me.

    #280814
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    Ballydoyle have 106 2 yr olds this year…and something like 65 3 yr olds.

    70 Colts and 36 Fillies…. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

    That is mind boggling

    #281044
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    Hi – some interesting stuff here – can’t wait ’till the flat is back!

    Quite liked the run of Fencing Master from the Dewhurst myself…

    Just for your info there was a report on friday 5th Mar on the post about how Mendizabal missed out on a five-timer at Deauville.

    One of the winners was ‘Dibir’ – here he is and part of the report:

    http://www.zeturf.com/en/resultats/1582 … acqueville

    FRENCH champion trainer Jean-Claude Rouget landed a five-timer on the all-weather at Deauville on Friday

    The most impressive Rouget winner was the Aga Khan’s Dibir, who opened his account in style over 7½f in a three-year-old maiden event. He has been entered in both the Poule d’Essai des Poulains and Prix du Jockey-Club.

    #281051
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    Damn, just checked the date and time of my post mentioning Dibir. I thought I had tipped my first winner of the Flat season, and instead I’ve aftertimed my first winner of the Flat season! :lol:

    #281066
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    :D

    Been through the trends and utterly depressed and deflated. Just 5.

    Ameer
    Emirates Dream
    Jan Vermeer
    St Nicholas Abbey (kind of)
    Waseet

    And to be honest if any of those bar the Ballydoyle pair are good enough then I’ll be very surprised. Pair of blinkers might sort out Emirates Dream.

    Race is as good as over in my eyes. If he goes for the Dante (and presumably wins), St. Nick should go off around 1/2 and to be honest he’d still be value.

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