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If it was coral, they wouldnt.
4/7 enable 6/4 winx for what its work but id be laying winx until i was blue in the face, hypothetically
Enables probably the greatest racehorse to grace the turf, surpassed frankel for me.
Its offensive to enable to even compare them
Winx not even close, aussie racing very very weak these days
Shame she never went to meydan or the USA to prove herself elsewhere
Bachelors, its impossible to compare them as the age old arguement of different distances, different era, different opponents blah blah
Not to mention her mares allowance, BUTBut by what possible metric hasnt she? On race prestige shes surpassed him, on prize money shes surpassed him, on longevity shes surpassed him, on foreign group 1s shes eclipsed him and all being well domestic group 1s she will pass him aswell, is there any denying her greatness if she was to win a 3rd arc, she doesnt even need to IMO she could retire right now for me, never seen such an uncomplicated beast just win regardless of country,ground,opponents, first time out, back from injury, long season, whatever it is. mares are incredibly difficult to keep so consistent, especially at this level.
In my days i never thought id see better than frankel, but i have, enable.
Not knocking anyones opinion on disagreeing with the above whatsoever. Just my own opinion.
I think Enable would beat Winx. But Enable vs Frankel? Oh dear! While Enable is possibly the best Flat filly/mare I’ve seen, Frankel would raze her.
Sure did ff no denying that!
Also no denying enable has achieved more in less runs.
Its not a case of frankel vs enable rob, enable is better at 1m4 whilst frankel was better over shorter
Enable would “raze” frankel at 1m4. Whilst frankel would do the same at a mile no denying that
But like i said
Shes achieved, way more, in less runs, wont EVER be done again, you will never in your lifetime see a horse do what enable has in 12
Races.I thought you were being facetious!
I’m too busy to do a detailed breakdown on why Frankel was objectively superior to Enable but may dredge it up next week if you don’t come clean about pulling our legs. But even rudimentary stuff like how Frankel annihilated legitimate Group One horses with obscene ease or running faster splits than anything in the King’s Stand or the fact that he’s the highest rated racehorse of all time. I can’t think of any horse in history who could have beaten him over a mile with only Dubai Millennium having a shout over ten furlongs. Conversely, there are at least a dozen horses who would have been favourite over Enable over twelve and while she deserves to be in the argument for best middle-distance mare, she wouldn’t come out a clear cut winner (indeed, I reckon she would have finished second in Zarkava’s Arc).
Without wishing to completely derail the thread, I’d go 1/4 Enable over Wind.
Oh ham,
Enable has twice now been only 3/4 length better racehorse (weight for age at Churchill Downs) than Magical.
If Enable is better than Frankel, then you must think Frankel would be only able to beat Magical by less than 3/4 length.
Value Is EverythingThe Brigadier was a bit before my time so while I can only go by records observed from afar, I’m happy to accept that it would be competitive between the two.
In any case, if Brigadier Gerard and Dubai Millennium are the only turf horses thought of being on Frankel’s level then that puts a good stone between him and Enable.
Australian racing is far less competitive over anything but sprint distances than it is in Britain, France and Ireland. Therefore a mare of Winx’s ability is able to go on a long winning run, because those she ran against aren’t up to the job. However, Winx wasn’t just slightly better than those she beat; she was considerably better. ie In her best races there was room to put better horses in between her and the seconds.
Enable and Winx are of very similar ability. At their bests I wouldn’t like to call it. Favourite would depend on where the race was held.
Value Is EverythingBH…. I’m old enough (unfortunately?) to remember the Brigadier when he ran. If ever there was a horse racing Pegasus, it was he. A miler who won the King George V1 and only beaten once in 18 starts by a Derby winner (Roberto). The Brig was under the weather that day apparently and the standout thing about his career was that he beat exceptional horses who franked the form many times over.
Maybe I should have titled this post Brigadier Gerard v Enable v Frankel v Winx over 1m2f…… this would be the race of all time at the trip.
Well like you Dahlia i’m old enough to remember as far back as the great Sea Bird, i backed the Brigadier in the 2000gns.
Whilst i do believe that Aussie racing is not as good as Europe or America in quality, Winx was so far ahead of everything else in Aus. I very much doubt that Winx would beat Enable but it would be as close as Magical has got to her.
For me there is only one horse i’ve seen that was a complete equine athlete as Frankel, apart from one race, which was jockey error he demolished his opponents with ease. His first trip over 1.2m was nothing short of awesome beating multiple group 1 winners by 7l. Sir Henry said that had he stayed in training as a 5yo he would have got 1.4m no problem and i have read that if it was not for Henry’s illness he might well have had a 5yo career.
There is no doubt that Enable is the best of her generation for the last 4yrs and she will go down in history if she wins the ARC in October which i sincerely hope she does. Hat off to Juddmonte for producing another super star.
All comers, all ground, all beaten
Oh ham,
Enable has twice now been only 3/4 length better racehorse (weight for age at Churchill Downs) than Magical.
If Enable is better than Frankel, then you must think Frankel would be only able to beat Magical by less than 3/4 length. Your a country mile off my point. As are you bachelors
Im comparing there achievements, shes achieved more in less runs, “oh ginge” surely you cannot deny that
On or’s this isnt even an arguement, frankels better, hands down, but different generation and different handicappers.
But unfortunately an or alone without a whole bunch of other things (alot of which hes covered) doesnt mean hes better than enable, its only one factor. When you determine the “greatest ever” your not taking about a head to head, Or a sectional split lol
To put it simply to both of you without giving me sectional splits and the beating of the same horses,
Who has achieved more in there first 12 runs, frankel or enable? If hes the greatest ever then the answer would be frankel, but the answer is not frankel.
Appreciate What exactly enable has done in those 12 races, will it be done again, could the almighty frankel do that ? Nope.
Both of you, forget that this is an opinion and regardless of what facts you throw out doesnt mean either are correct, nor does it mean im correct, This is an opinion..
Not something that can simply be said as “oh ham” as if ive said something idiotic.
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