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“I think there are much better 10F-12F horses out there that would represent a much stiffer test for him than today’s rivals.”
Who are these much better horses you are referring to? That was a high quality renewal nearly all 120+ horses.
There was / is good evidence Bay Bridge is up to Group 1 company.
Bay Bridge may have only “won a Group 3”, but did win that Group 3 with some authority. By 5 lengths and eased, call it value for 6 from Mostahdaf who was giving the winner 3 lbs.
The second went on to be 3 1/4 lengths second to Broome in the Hardwicke. So on “form” (if Mostahdaf ran to the same form in both races) at his best Bay Bridge is a pound or two better horse than Broome… And Broome was thought to have run right up to his best. Although the Hardwicke is a Group 2, Broome is a Group 1 winner (Prix de Saint Cloud).
Reason why Bay Bridge was so short for both POW and Eclipse was also about possible or probable improvement. I do agree imo he ended up much too short today. (Prior to the race I believed a back @ 4/1 or more and a lay @ 11/4 or less). However, he’s had a really progressive profile up to his two runs on (we think now an unsuitable) firmish surface. Fingers crossed it won’t have done any damage and he’ll go on to show what he can really do on an easier surface.
That said, maybe he should lose the “p” after today’s performance?
Value Is EverythingOn a huge track like Sandown how do you get boxed in, in a field of six?
Frankie’s laughing at home.
Hollie is riding for David Evans and thinking no one offered me a ride in that race.
Ryan Moore on that horse and it wins.
To be fair Soulimmon had him covered on the last bend and on the run in.tbh SS, can’t see that any jockey rode a bad race.
I backed the Gosden pair but…Lord North was drawn 1 and so pretty much got the best position on the inner he could, following the leader.
Mishriff drawn 3 was a bit rusty out of the stalls on reappearance and so was stuck on the inside. Should he have come wide like Dettori did in the Gold Cup?
Value Is EverythingSuspect both winner and second will prove better than the distances they beat the rest.
Value Is EverythingBaaeed (when he steps up to 10F), Desert Crown (if dropped back to 10F), Inspiral (if stepping up to 10F) and Nashwa (both of who would be getting the fillies allowance).
Also had Mishriff’s jockey not gone for a highly optimistic/speculative run and instead followed the winner through on the outside the law of probability suggests he would have won by a few lengths so I would have to doubt today’s result would be confirmed if they were to meet again also bearing in mind Mishriff will certainly improve for the run.
Then we have the likes of Hurricane Lane, Adayar, Desert Crown, Westover, Emily Upjohn, Alpinista, Titleholder or whatever else Japan sends, Torquato Tasso (Arc winner who won today) would all present a sterner test at 12F for (in my opinion) a doubtful stayer.
I am not just looking at official ratings of the horses (if you take Mishriff out of todays race it would be a solid G1 race with no real stand out star that could be approaching a 130 horse).
One or two might turn out to be better. But as a list of ‘much better’ horses, we’ll agree to disagree on that one :o)
The time incidentally – around a second quicker than the handicap after it won by Arqoob rated 89 coming in, also broke racing post standard. Arqoob carried more than Vadeni but wfa would account for that, he carried the same as Mishriff so its about correct. 6 lengths per second on the ground and 1.75lbs per length at the trip so its around 11lbs difference in the raw time performance ignoring sectionals. The handicap was a 15 runner jobbie, probably went a good clip to beat standard as nothing else did on the card I don’t think.
Rather helpfully, Arjoob was carrying the exact weight-for-age differential.
Given Arjoob had an OR of just 89 going into the race yet was less than a second slower, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that the overall Eclipse time was slow given it’s much-higher calibre participants.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Mike – fair enough, a game of opinions but time will usually tell and hopefully it will be a great rest of the season watching on to find out what cream rises to the top and what goes……er off lol
The handicap will probably produce a good timefigure for the grade, nothing else on the card broke standard. Thats the danger of times, I suspect it’ll turn out the Eclipse was significantly quicker from say 3F out. The fact Alenquer was only beat around 4/5L in last says a lot about the pace. The ground definetly played a part in the fast time.
Overall times are interesting but sometimes just comparing the end result can fail to tell the whole story and it would be nice if we could get a side by side comparison at various stages through the respective races (like sometimes Ruby Walsh does at certain fences/hurdles to show far ahead one race was or wasn’t).
I would imagine the Eclipse may have been a bit behind the handicap comparably early on and then as they wound it up they probably caught and passed them up the straight as the handicapers were probably slowing down more as a result of the stronger early pace.
Agreed LD. This was more a comment on the idea that a fast time compared to RP standard isnt proof of a fast pace when given the context of the time from the handicap that followed
It was good to see the Aga Khan’s famous silks carried to victory today.
I know he does not have any horses trained here nowadays but it still comes as a bit of a surprise to realise that Vadeni was his first winner here since Harzand won the Derby in 2016.
It felt written Cork, I mentioned previously that I believe it is 100 years this year that the operation has been involved in European Horse Racing.
Of course, nothing is written in this game but it’s a nice touch and I would like to see this horse run in Ireland now for the chance of a European Triple Crown.In terms of the drift the biggest factor was probably how slight the horse is compared to the much stockier 3 year old Native Trail and the more mature Bay Bridge. He looked like a teenager against men.
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