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I struggle to see him staying 12F in an Arc especially if we get the usual soft ground – all of his family are 10.5F performers at best and he didn’t look to be crying out for another 2F.
Assume Juddmonte, Irish Champion and Champion Stakes would be most likely targets.
Congrats to the winners, Vademi ran well to win this. I was very impressed with Native Trail’s run who stretched out to 10F for the first time. May improve next time out over the same distance…
It’s a bit odd to read a few negative comments about Bay Bridge. However, no such comments were to be found anywhere prior to him taking on the Cox Plate winner at Ascot. One would have thought it was the second coming! Now all the experts are coming out with their post-race clairvoyance…
“post-race clairvoyance…”
If you’re referring to my comments, they were posted before the race.
Well, hardly, Turkoman.
The view I (and others) had both before and after the race was that he doesn’t want fast ground.
And that does indeed seem to be the case.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Please re-read my original commentary above. My specific reference is to comments made about Bay Bridge prior to his race at Ascot (i.e. in the Prince of Wales), and not prior to this race,
I’ve taken back my harsh words about Vadeni earlier in the thread and dumped them in the recycle manure bin of my mind.
I pretty much agree with GT’s entire post-race analysis on this occasion.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Bay Bridge has been in 2 ‘sprint finishes’ over 10f and come up short. The quick ground may not be an issue for him at 12f at group 1 or group 2 level.
Bay Bridge has won a Group 3.
Maybe softer ground will suit him better but I would not be in a rush to back him. To my mind, his limitations have been exposed at Group 1 level. Twice.
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Before the race I said:“With Bay Bridge it’s all about if he’ll be as effective on good-firm and whether he’ll get a strong enough pace”.
There was always a chance Bay Bridge would not be fully effective on good-firm. There are positives and negatives about every runner and therefore is always about whether the odds are good enough to take the chance.
…And even if someone doesn’t hold a negative opinion before a race, does not mean he / she should not afterwards. The fact we have another race to judge horses actually means we should reassess all the horses. If a TRFer says something post race then they’re not neccessarily saying “I told you so”, they may well be saying “evidence now suggests …”. Or even that other TRFers have been proven correct.
My view beforehand was that Bay Bridge’s run in the POW was slightly disappointing and may be due to the ground, but I thought it could possibly be down to the slower pace of the Ascot race. Now my view is Bay Bridge is almost certainly not as effective on the ground.
Value Is EverythingNot sure why we are talking about a well beaten horse anyway.
I thought the winner showed his quality by coming from last to first in a race that was not run to suit him. At half way, I really thought he was going to struggle.
I believe he would beat all the others even more decisively in a stronger run race.
Well done, CAS.
Mishriff is in front 20 yards after the line, I’m not prone to pocket talk, but he was surely unlucky and might well have won if simply brought widest of all turning for home.
He’s made up two to three lengths on the winner in the final furlong once in the clear and having regained momentum after being switched.
Bay Bridge, as many of us had said, had plenty of form with give, Royal Ascot was on the quick side and it was today.
Surprised he was favourite.
Vadeni is quality and got a good ride off Christophe Soumillon.
It’s only the turn of foot he has at this trip that creates a doubt about him over 1m4f but I think there’s every chance he will stay.
Native Trail ran alright, but that’s as good as he is now – I’ve got him on plateauing ratings for every run this year.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Well done (Get-in) Mike and all who backed Valdeni.
Native Trail ran a solid race but didn’t show his trademark turn of foot once challenged by Valdeni but certainly not disgraced.I can’t help feeling that Stewards need to up their game since the Norfolk Stakes incident as we seem to be seeing more and more scenarios where jockeys are putting their own and other horses in danger whilst trying to improve their position.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Turko, Bay Bridge was unbeaten going into Royal Ascot but got beat and today the level of opposition was tougher than he faced at RA which is why he was a poor favourite. Royal Ascot showed up his weakness in being unable to quicken off a steady pace on decent going. Looks like he needs 12f now or a very fast run race over 10f and slower going
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I believe he went off favourite partly because of the “Moore factor” and partly because British bookmakers like to take on French horses (and punters prefer to back horses and jockeys they know).
Yesterday, Vadeni was 6/4. Had anything really happened to justify him drifting to 11/4? Perhaps there was a slight concern about the ground – but Lydia Hislop and Martin Dixon on RTV said they thought it would suit him when they previewed the race.
If Vadeni was trained by O’Brien or any of the top British trainers, would he have drifted? I doubt it. I think he would have gone off a short priced favourite.
A Group 3 winner made favourite to give weight and a beating to a 5 length winner of the French Derby?
I certainly think it was always going to be difficult for Vadeni to hold his price, given he was French trained.
I thought they’d come for something else – maybe Native Trail – but was surprised it was Bay Bridge when it was so clearly going to be Good to Firm.
I wouldn’t be sure about Bay Bridge staying 1m4f, but I do think he’s got more races in him at 1m2f if he has give in the ground.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"They didn’t seem to go quick early on but the final time is almost 2sec faster than standard so to me it was run very much in a French style (i.e. a 4F burn up) and thus did actually suit the French horse more than the others – the sectionals could be very eye opening to see what each horse did as they turned for home.
One might argue an end to end gallop over 10F will put more emphasis on stamina than speed and thus expose potential stamina doubts about the winner, personally I don’t think he would be troubled dropping back to a mile (especially if Baaeed goes up to 10F) as I think there are much better 10F-12F horses out there that would represent a much stiffer test for him than today’s rivals.
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