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June 28, 2022 at 11:50 #1604505
For different reasons I want to take on Native Trail. Would not surprise me if connections pull him out.
I think the price makes Bay Bridge well worth taking a chance on the ground having enough give… And there are currently front / prominent horses in there that probably need a fast run race to bring their stamina into play (particularly the AOB duo). So at this stage Bay Bridge looks likely to get a fairly well run race.
Also 10 or 9/1 worth taking a chance on Real World’s stamina. Only horse to have ever beaten him on turf is Baaeed.
Saved on Vedani.
Value Is EverythingJune 28, 2022 at 12:19 #1604506“His only run with official give resulted IMO in a very laboured Irish 2,000 Guineas win where for me he ran below previous levels as IMO it was a poor renewal (second, third and fourth all well beaten next time out)”.
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Agreed, I don’t think there is any doubt Native Trail’s Irish Guineas is not as good as some other runs, but that imo is more down to needing to be asked for his effort. Drawn on the inside and being in behind horses maximising his laziness which has been evident in all his last four starts. Always finds a lot for pressure.
One of those horses that with a whip ban would win very little.
Value Is EverythingJune 28, 2022 at 12:33 #1604507“Only once on ground officially quicker than Good, but broke standard in the Craven and it was only 0.27 sec slow when he was beaten three parts of a length in the 2,000 Guineas”.
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In my experience top class horses can beat Racing Post Standard by small amounts on genuine Good ground.
I’d actually expect a good 2000 Guineas field to at least go close to Standard on genuine good ground if not beat Standard.
Value Is EverythingJune 28, 2022 at 12:44 #1604508That’s fair comment – as we both know it depends on various factors, weight carried, age of horse, and the calibre of horse that created the standard historically in the first place to name but three.
Right now I think it’s between Vedani and Bay Bridge, who will appreciate a return to a “Cooperfied” surface after Ascot.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 28, 2022 at 19:27 #1604560Looks a serious race but took the 50.0’s on the exchanges for Lord North, it would of been a lot better if i could get that EW like. If he never ran at Ascot probably would of been a third of the price.
June 28, 2022 at 19:54 #1604567Wow, Hottest race for some time if most of these turn up. Real World gives me some Farrh vibes who was a deserving group 1 winner once Frankel retired. He was mighty close before that too with narrow defeats to Nathaniel and Moonlight Cloud.
Real World isn’t in that bracket but I do feel a big run is on the cards after another runner up slot to the seemingly unbeatable Baeed. I’d also like Baeed to have that bit of subsequent form to enhance his group 1 victories this year.
I’ll wait for the day, I’d want 10/1 at least.June 28, 2022 at 20:22 #1604574Can see your thinking Botchy,
Has Gosden said anything about running plans?
How likely is Lord North to run?Value Is EverythingJune 28, 2022 at 20:35 #1604578“Clarehaven Gazette. Situations Vacant. An exciting opportunity has arisen to ride Lord North in the Eclipse. The successful candidate will be able to get his hood off before the stalls open as he’s a two stone better horse when he can actually see. Apply in the first instance to: “The Slim Thady.”
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 28, 2022 at 21:30 #1604588I like Alenquer a lot and 8/1 is a fair price imo. He is either 1st or 2nd when staying at home and not traveling to other countries. The CD behind his name is no bad thing either as well as the G1 win last time out.
Only other question is, if Mishriff could regain some of his last year’s Juddmonte sparkle.
June 28, 2022 at 22:18 #1604597Sounds like an intended runner from what i have read Ginge and Doyler booked to ride who get’s on well with him.
June 28, 2022 at 22:35 #1604598I’d be a bit shocked if Lord North won. Mishriff will probably need the run.
June 29, 2022 at 12:27 #1604631Mishriff went widest of all in the Saudi Cup, giving away ground at a time when the pace seemed far too strong. Not surprising he wilted a bit but it was obviously disappointing finishing so far last. Although winner of the previous Saudi Cup, he only really had one horse in front of him that day and possibly didn’t like so much kick back this time around. Thady said after the race they were having him checked over by a vet. Has anything come to light?
Appeared to need the run last year in this race and has been a little disappointing coming back after a break when running at Ascot (twice) in the Autumn. Has run well at other right-handed tracks.His second in Ascot’s King George (not after a break) coming in mid summer and probably right up with his best mile and a half form (better at 1m2f). Has won after a break at Newmarket as a three year old but that was before improving into a Group 1 horse. However, has also run very well in the Middle East after a break.
Very best run on officially “good” but the time beat Standard by over two seconds (more like good-firm). That said has been successful on all sorts of going so ground doesn’t seem a concern. That best run in the International is a bit of a standout figure, but the time backs up the performance.
mo Best with the sun on his back. After last year there must be a doubt as to whether he’ll be fully fit, especially after such a bad performance last time out. But that was in February so in theory plenty of time to (possibly) get him right. At his best Mishriff is up with the best of these if not in front. Of all the runners I found it most difficult to price him up.
Value Is EverythingJune 29, 2022 at 14:26 #1604634Real world and stone age both ruled out
Stone age going to run in the USA
Real world had a bad scope
June 29, 2022 at 16:05 #1604638High Definition left in for the big race in France on Sunday and Alenquer taken out so looks like he is heading here.
Gone EW on Lord North @ 20’s 3 places.
Six lengths behind Bay Bridge at Ascot and he is 7/2 so worth the risk he turns up.
June 29, 2022 at 16:13 #1604640^
Looking like a max of 7 runners going by the racing post.” On Aikhal and High Definition, O’Brien added: “The other two probably won’t run at Sandown either. We’re thinking of going to France with Aikhal for the Grand Prix de Paris and High Definition will go to Saint-Cloud for the Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud. That’s the way we’re thinking at the moment.”
June 29, 2022 at 16:22 #1604641Backed Real World and he’s out.
Backed Bay Bridge because I thought with High Definition, Stone Age and Real World in there BB would get a good pace to come off.The perils of ante-post betting.
Value Is EverythingJune 29, 2022 at 16:32 #1604642It potentially getting tactical very much plays into the hands of vadeni and native trail you’d have to think
Vadenis push button acceleration could be difficult to stop
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