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  • #2990
    cormack15
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    In hindsight Spencer went too soon against a proven stayer.

    Spencer no mug but I’d agree that Fallon is the man.

    #76701
    Lingfield
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    Spencer rode a good race on Red Evie but arguably went too soon on Ouija Board and got re-passed by the winner though his tactics did see off Alexander Goldrun

    #76702
    cormack15
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    Quote from EC : "we all lose for not being able to see the best rider"

    I agree EC but the blame for that should possibly be laid at the door of the man himself, depending on the outcome of any judgements of course.

    Just because racing has had its problems in the past doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be sorting out its current ones. Does it?

    #76703
    Lingfield
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    EC, <br>Time will tell me when the evidence is produced but if anyone is found to have corrupted ONE race that is one too many and in the current age they deserve to be run out of the sport for life

    #76704
    Artemis
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    It was a good ride from Fallon, but I don’t think Spencer was at fault. He produced OB to win the race and seemed to have done just that, but DT found a bit extra, lengthening his stride. I thought OB ran on well enough but on the day just wasn’t good enough( but not by much).

    I think Fallon is the strongest jockey riding at the moment and he certainly threw everything at DT, but if he had been on OB I think he would have still been outbattled. We’ll never know.

    #76705
    Aidan
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    Dylan Thomas did well to win that, tricky race. Looks like he needs the full 12furlongs at this stage or else a stronger run 10f race. Love the way he moves…floats along for such a massive horse.

    Not sure what to make of it in terms of ratings though. OB is good but she never hit an outstanding rating so I cannot have DT too high after todays win. Hope the handicapper does not do something stupid.

    #76706
    FlatSeasonLover
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    Great ride by Fallon; didn’t give up when many would have.

    #76707
    Aidan
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    Consistent yes, but around around the 124-125 mark tops.

    #76708
    Wallace
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    The best horse on the day won the race.  

    If anyone thinks they can differentiate between the likes of these two jockeys they are in dreamworld.  Far too much credit/blame is dished out to jockeys in this game.  

    The game is horse racing!

    #76709
    cormack15
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    Don’t underestimate the jocks at the top level wallace.

    #76710
    Aidan
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    Interesting when you watch the race again Fallon was unable to fully use his whip in the last half furlong or so as DT and OB were so close together. He could only slap the horse down the neck (for which he got warned). Credit to the horse then for pulling out as much as he did without maximum pressure asked.

    #76711
    Aidan
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    Interesting to read Dylan Thomas is probably going to run in the Classic and probably going to stay in training.

    #76712
    clivex
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    Just seen the race for the first time and just wonder whether exertions had caught up with OB a little. Went away fine but floundered alittle maybe?

    Its been great the way she has been campaigned and i wonder if because the odd defeat has not been seen as the end oif the world she has been alittle underrated compared with rather more selectively campaigned horses

    Fine ride by KF of course but i agree abit with Wallace. Sometimes jockety influence appears to be more than it really is…

    Good to see DT back in form though

    #76713
    bluechariot
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    *What is sickening for racing fans is not beingable to bet with confidence due to unscrupulous connections pulling horses. *<br>What planet are you living on? Just look at racing every day and see how many horses miss the break.<br>The game always has been corrupt and always will be.

    By the way the guys laying KF horses made a loss.<br>

    #76714
    Wallace
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    EC, I have spent a lot of time analysing all the key variables in racing and found the differences between pro jockeys to be virtually insignificant to the outcome of the race when compared to the ability of the horse.  My research shows raw ability, suitability of the track, race distance, going and a couple of other variables are way above the very small difference between two pro jockeys.

    You seem to specialise at pulling out stats to prove any opinion. <br>

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