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Racing Review were the only known web based Racing source to have given Frankel such a big word after his debut win and have followed him ever since. It’s pleasing that as the first we have gave the public possibly the best 2 year old in recent years but certianly the best on our figures and another sign of our ability to spot talent thats profitable and memorable thanks to our unique ratings.
As stated earlier in this thread we expected Frankel to record a 100 figure with the others having to improve although unlikely and it looks like another shrewd call in whats been a fantastic season.
DEWHURST 2010
101 Frankel
99 Roderic O’Connor
96 Glor Na Mara
96 Waiter’s Dream
94 Dream Ahead
84 SaamiddFrankel has improved again running 7.05 lengths quicker than his par indicating he’s more than a genuine Group 1 three year old.
Roderic O’Conner was a pacemaker and done his job although looks to have limited ability and would be suspect with his style of running.
Glor Na Mara and Waiter’s Dream have run improved races but failed to over take the pacemaker so they are flattered by the rating.
Dream Ahead has run to his figure from the Middle Park and didn’t improve enough to feature as suggested.
Saamidd another who ran probably 2l below his figure last time out although eased inside the final furlong and could have run an equal figure.
The form works out well here and Frankel is the best 2 year old that we’ve ever rated and pleased to have found him for you.
MRW.
Congratulations on being the only person to spot that Frankel looked a good horse on his debut.
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I think the jockey blamed the ground cause it had rained, it was only joe public that said he’d be better on soft due to his stride. Connections have always mantained he’s better on good.
Timeform have Dream Ahead rated BETTER than Frankel ahead of Saturday’s Dewhurst.
I have to say, the more I watch their respective last performances, the more that demolition of Strong Suit impresses.
Can’t wait for what is surely the most eagerly awaited two year old race in a generation.
I’m with Timeform in the Dream Ahead corner. How about you?
Did anyone ever establish from people in the know at Timeform how they rated Dream Ahead’s Middle Park form with FOGHORN LEGHORN within one-and-a-half lengths of Strong Suit, Approve and Irish Field? That looks as though all three did not run within 20 pounds of their best rating, never mind the horses that finished behind the fairly ordinary nursery winner. What did they base their rating on? – Foghorn Leghorn improving by 20 pounds between his eighth and ninth races of the year?
Frankel was always gonna win
Considering he got bumped and disliked the ground, I think he won quite well even though he wasn’t at his best. Oh and he ran the 7 furlongs faster than Red Jazz in the first … what does that tell you about this superb horse?
Dream Ahead and Saamidd didn’t fire. They should bounce back next year hopefully … though Frankel looks superior to them now.
Frankel was impressive, which means even more value lies in the Irish! Casamento and Pathfork!
Foghorn Leghorn ran to 92 when winning his nursery, and was awarded the same figure in the Middle Park. Other horses in the Middle Park pre race rating/rating awarded in Middle Park were
Dream Ahead 118p/130
Strong Suit 115p/98
Approve 112/98
Irish Field 112/95Though in light of the weekend efforts I understand the race is likely to be pulled down 2 lb.
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As suspected it was never going to stand up to scrutny David but it’s totally irrelevant now.
What I’m more interested in where will Saamidd fit into calculations now.
Would/will Timeform drop him a few pounds or wil that run be ignored?
I can’t see Waiter’s Dream having improved much if any and Saammid beat him with ease and looked good for a right few extra brownie points.
Had he run his race and shown his hand to the full you would have to think he would have finished a fair bit ahead of the 3rd horse who has finsihed the same distance ahead of Waiters Dream, when flat to the boards, as Saamidd did in a canter.
I’m curious to how Timeform handle situations like these?
Saamid’s run was too bad to be true so I would imagine it is likely to be ignored. He didn’t look beforehand as if likely to be ready to run to his best and that is how it proved.
Dream Ahead isn’t being pulled down 2lbs just to make Frankel the champion 2yo on Timeform ratings by any chance, is he?
Does Frankel not deserve to be rated ahead of Dream Ahead after yesterdays performance?
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Saamid’s run was too bad to be true so I would imagine it is likely to be ignored. He didn’t look beforehand as if likely to be ready to run to his best and that is how it proved.
Saamidd ran to form and ran to a rating which he’d shown us he was capeable of on his 2 previous starts, he just couldn’t handle the fast pace which he’s never encountered before and threw down his tools because he’s not good enough where as Waiter’s Dream and Glor Na Mara could well be sprinters next year.
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Saamidd clearly hasn’t run to form.
For me he has, had him at about 86 coming into the race and already had 9 lengths to make up on Frankel/Dream Ahead given Frankel was going to improve again this meant Saamidd had to definatly improve and what’s to say he didn’t?. He’s run to 84 but given he was heavily restrained after all known chances were gone that may of cost him 4-5l and could have improved to 89/90.
Same profile coming into the race as Shamardal and failed to rise to his levels, I know people were backing Saamidd on what he hadn’t showen us and expecting that improved performance but hey these things happen.
I don’t see how anyone could make a viable betting decision to take on Frankel in all of his races this year, maybe back to school for some people and stop backing odds and start backing horses.
Does Frankel not deserve to be rated ahead of Dream Ahead after yesterdays performance?
Fortunately I’m not questioning that aspect of it. As the thread points out, Dream Ahead was rated above Frankel prior to yesterday.
Dream Ahead is the only horse from the Middle Park to subsequently run, was beat 7l yesterday etc. I could go on forever. Are Timeform downgrading Dream Ahead’s rating to ensure the ratings follow logic rather than "numbers?" The logic being that Frankel is the best 2yo in Europe, but yesterday’s win wasn’t worthy of his rating being raised, so the next best and only possible thing to do is to downgrade the horse currently above him, who ran poorly.
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Same profile coming into the race as Shamardal and failed to rise to his levels, I know people were backing Saamidd on what he hadn’t showen us and expecting that improved performance but hey these things happen.
He’d shown everyone plenty at Doncaster. Writing him down (or off) also goes against Dettori and Godolphin’s notably high opinion of his merits. This was not just hype: for them, this was their best Guineas candidate for years.
He still might be, of course. What was worrying was the mental attitude he showed yesterday: he looked as if he didn’t want to be there, and ran accordingly. How tempted might they be to leave him here over the winter, in the care of – for example – Mark Johnson?
Alas, I fear the answer is "not tempted at all". A pity.
So what improvement are you going to put on Waiters Dream if Saamidd did run his race? Given their past meetings it’s as clear as day he didn’t run up to what he is capable. Even if you just take a view Waiters Dream ran to form and Saamidd didn’t improve what so ever he would have been a couple of lengths down at the line tops.
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