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    Avatar photoGoldikova
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    I kinda expect this race to show that Sariska dosen’t quite have what it takes to win the arc, regardless of whether she wins or not.

    I expect Tamraind to easily run above her rating.

    There might be a scary moment in this race if you’ve went big at the skinny price.

    Barshiba is capable of giving a fright, but the extra pounds will tell.

    It will be a frantic pace, and nothing more than a comfortable Sariska win should appease the folk who’ve backed her for the arc.

    Small stakes on Tamarind 18/1 e/w and Barshiba 12/1.

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    See, I’ve said it all summer, these 3yos really are poor. Another Group 1 win for one of Zarkava’s victims.

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    I always thought Sariska was a soft ground horse, being by Pivotal, but when you look at her facile success in Ireland, she beat handicappers. It certainly seems as if the 3yo fillies are a shower this year. Shame really.

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    Sorry to be flippant, but although I did fancy Sariska, my hard rule of no longer backing Jamie Spencer ridden animals has ultimately saved me a packet – though in no way was he to blame for the Oaks winner’s defeat.

    She simply met a better filly on the day.

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    #244969
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    Nothing to do with Spencer. Was clear from the close-ups a very long way out that Spencer had no horse underneath him. He had no reign left with 7f to go while Fortune had a handful.

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    So the three-year-olds are poor, Zarkava, but beating them in a Group 1 lends credence to your namesake’s achievements?

    Doesn’t quite add up.

    As for Sariska, she obviously needs easier ground. The likes of Roman Empress and Barshiba finished far too close for me to believe that we’ve seen the best of her today.

    #244975
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    2 reasons 4 that defeat of sariska the biggest 1. is the ground miles 2 fast if u watch it inside the final furlong shes not letting herself down on the ground att all shes leaning to the left which suggests shes hating it . 2 is the form of michael bell im a huge fan of his but i would advise everyone to stay well away from his horses for now 2 winners from last 55 runners. no doubt in my mind sariska is a wonderful horse given soft ground even good to soft she would have walked that race and should still definitely go for the arc given a bog at longchamp no dount will be in the shake up providing bells horses are back to form. in sariska i trust.

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    So the three-year-olds are poor, Zarkava, but beating them in a Group 1 lends credence to your namesake’s achievements?

    Doesn’t quite add up.

    I couldn’t care less how good or bad the form is, it’s still a Group 1.

    And I don’t think Zarkava needs any credence, but it’s worth mentioning all the same.

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    We don’t need reminded after every single race Zerkava. She won an arc, nobody is doubting her.

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    next shock>>>>> stacelita prix de vermeile , futhermore rouget isnt firing at the moment

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    The result can be explained very easily.

    May be Sariska is not as good as that Irish Oaks on heavy made her look. But the English Oaks form is still better than Dar Re Mi’s.

    May be Sariska is better on a softer surface.

    But to me the overwelming reason is trainer form. Bell is just not in anywhere near the same form now, as he was when Sariska won the Musidora, Oaks and Oaks. He has had over 30 runners without a win, with only 2 in last 50. That is some way below his usual strike rate.

    Where as Gosden (Dar Re Mi) is in excellent form.

    As they say "horses are not machines".

    To say the three year old fillies are no good on one performance is puzzling. The oaks form has already been franked by Midday. The Guineas winner slautered the Coronation field before disappointing a little on softer going in one of the best Sussex stakes seen for years.

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    #244990
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    To say the three year old fillies are no good on one performance is puzzling. The oaks form has already been franked by Midday.

    I don’t think she franked it at all. The better 4yos in that race didn’t handle the conditions.

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    Curious then that you don’t afford Sea The Stars the honour of your admiration, Zarkava. In waltzing to four Group 1 races on the spin, he’s beaten five individual Group 1 winners (Rip Van Winkle, who beat older horses, Mastercraftsman, a dual G1 winner, Fame And Glory, Lord Shanakill and Conduit), a Group 1 runner-up (Delegator), three Group 2 winners (Finjaan, who beat older horses, Monitor Closely and Debussy) and two Group 3 winners (Ouqba and Jukebox Jury).

    I couldn’t care less about how good the form is, but worth mentioning all the same :wink:

    #244993
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    crystalcapella will win a group 1 for sure next she is some filly

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    Is it correct that they have said she came into season? I didn’t tape todays racing to re watch it but I remember thinking as she was walking round the parade ring that she was lifting her tail a bit. They said earlier in the year that she wouldn’t be aimed at the Arc and that she would be better as a four year old, so I wouldn’t write her off yet. Back to plan A perhaps.

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    Curious then that you don’t afford Sea The Stars the honour of your admiration, Zarkava. In waltzing to four Group 1 races on the spin, he’s beaten five individual Group 1 winners (Rip Van Winkle, who beat older horses, Mastercraftsman, a dual G1 winner, Fame And Glory, Lord Shanakill and Conduit), a Group 1 runner-up (Delegator), three Group 2 winners (Finjaan, who beat older horses, Monitor Closely and Debussy) and two Group 3 winners (Ouqba and Jukebox Jury).

    I couldn’t care less about how good the form is, but worth mentioning all the same :wink:

    No need for the wink :wink:

    I also have no idea how many Group 2s and 3s Zarkava’s victims have won.

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    Everywhere you turn it sems like 3 year olds are getting stuffed and the older horses are coming out on top. Withe Sariska getting stuffed you would have to wonder if these fillies are just a bad lot.

    However correct me if I am wrong but the great Park Top was beaten in the Arc and was found to be in season after the race. You don’t get a warning but it can affect some fillies very badly.

    Michael Bell has trained some cracking horses and he had this filly right at the top of his pecking order before today. I wouldn’t rule her out for one minute……he said in the SL the blood was pouring out of her after the race so it’s got to be a wait and see with her.

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