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A disappointing run by Canford Cliffs, but it’s premature to write him off on the evidence of one bad run. Maybe he isn’t a good traveller, but more likely he just had an off day, although the winner is clearly very smart.
I’m confident he’ll bounce back next time, and he’ll no doubt be a G1 sprinter next year.
He certainly doesn’t need an extra furlong and he has virtually no chance of staying a mile.
I wouldn’t write him off for the Guineas just yet.
The sharp track and lightning fast ground (which it must have been, for so many 2yo’s to run inside 68 secs – a phenomenal time, even for older horses) were more likely his undoing than any lack of stamina yesterday, and nothing in the form of his previous 2 runs suggests he won’t be better given a stiffer test than Deauville.- Total Posts 17716
:o Sour grapes you are advising people to back odds on especially a 2 year old who’s facing top class opposition for the 1st time now which planet is that info from?
The same planet which convinced you MCM would beat STS 
or maybe the one which said Sariska was was special? 
At least I am trying to contrubute something constructive to the discussion whereas you will your stupid smileys seem to take enjoyment out of others misfortune.
So far you have pointed out one winner on here…Sea the Stars and you suggested a double with Kingsgate Native which lost.
You did say you wouldn’t back Sariska but never said you would back the winner either.
Now after the deed you come all smart assed and tell people how stupid a bet it was to back Canford Cliffs……you would be as well telling us Cassius Clay was going to beat Sonny Liston
So up to now you’ve told us 25 times Staclita is a certainty the Arc, Named no winning bets and gave us some classic examples of some pretty smart aftertiming.
Welcome to the forum I wish we had more like you.
I prefer people who stick their necks out and sometimes get it wrong, than those whose bums must be red raw from all the fence sitting they do.
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i didn’t read the forum until after the race or else i would’ve said canford is way too short. As a big fan of Stoute even you must know what happened at York last week.Another thing advising peple to back at that price is inevitably going to end in tears.
When I saw a headline questioning whether Canford Cliffs could pull it off, I burst out laughing.
I haven’t seen such an easy winner, I think, since Three "Whatits". He only won one other race, I think, in the US, and I don’t think it was anything particularly special.
But I can’t believe he gave his true running, and I have a feeling that that remark before the race may indicate the connections sensed something wasn’t right. But it’s pure conjecture.
His speed figure for his previous race was pretty good, wasn’t it – considering the ease of his win?
But congratulations to those who doubted, since for the present at least, you were on the mark and I was as far off as can be.
Another thing advising peple to back at that price is inevitably going to end in tears.
If you advised Canford Cliffs because he was the superior horse in the race period, then it’s likely to end in tears.
However, if you advised Canford Cliffs because you quoted him at a shorter price, and thus the 4/9 was deemed as value, only a dullard punter would have an extremely low strike rate with this method.
Ginge is converting me
The Hannon’s are at a loss as to why Canford Cliffs did not show his true form. The horse will be scoped.
Maybe he isn’t a good traveller.
The great Mill Reef himself met with his only 2 yr old defeat in France, in the Prix Rober Papin. Ian Balding was convinced his colt did not perform that day with the same gusto as he had in his previous race at Royal Ascot – the Coventry Stakes !
Canford Cliffs will hopefully bounce back from this and prove that he is not just a flash in the pan. Tellingly, some bokkmakers still have him joint favourite for next season’s 2,000 Guineas.
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Someetimes you wonder when a horse gets beat if it’s the same as when something like Sea the Stars wins, it’s inevitable connections are going to say he’s the greatest…in this case something must have been wrong.
The scope came as no surprise and the fact they found nothing wrong comes as even less of a surprise. They said he was hanging left and he may have been feeling the ground which may have been the case but I am not convinced.
I much prefer to listen to the jockey than most trainers and what Hughsie said made much more sense to me. He reckons the combination of the ground and a strong wind had a fair bit to do with the track record being broken and is adamant the horse just never felt right and the acceleration he showed at Ascot just wasn’t there.
From my point of view had that race been the first time I saw Canford Cliffs I would have thought "a nice horse will win races"
Class aside, and I still don’t believe this race was anything special, that’s not the horse I saw at Ascot. When he jumped out at Ascot Hughsie could hardly keep hold of him yet he looked like he was hack cantering while others were flat out just to keep up. He continued to pull his arms out until 2 out then took off like a rocket. There was none of that here the horse came out the stalls and while was going ok there was no fire there….I fully expected Hughsie to be swinging off him………as the man said he does so every day he rides himat home and he just never felt the same to him.
Horses run below form every day and as Steclita rightly points out look at Harbinger……..SMS is dumbfounded as this is apparantly one of his best in the yard.
I think the safest thing to do is put this down to a horse who may just have done too much too early. Yes even with only 3 runs……..He’s not the smallest horse, he would be keyed up for Ascot to the nineties and kept going every day since. It’s much easier to judge these things if your in the yard but from an outsider looking in Richard Hannon does tend to run his horses more than most. He’s a great trainer and does it his way but had Canford Cliffs been in another yard perhaps shooting over to France woudn’t have happened.
SMS probably wouldn’t have run him until he was a 6 year old
I’m surprised they are even thinking about running him again this season..no doubt they are a bit shell shocked, so hopefully they will put that idea on the backburner, put him away and bring him out next year and go straight for the Guineas……I would as they have nothing to lose.
The horse is built like a fast two year old, bred like a fast two year old and races like a fast two year old – why would you put him away now missing out on his two year old career meaning his next race would be the Guineas – a race that on breeding he is very unlikely to stay even if he was good enough.
The fact they are going for the Middle Park – and not the top 7 furlong races – tells you all you need to know about the horse.
Hughes said on ATR that the only reason they broke the track record was because they had a bit tail wind behind them….so that explains that.
If he does go Middle Park there obviously worried that the animal wont have the class for the Dewhurst and would rather rush him for the Middle than wait till the Dewhurst
I may be wrong, but didn’t Richard Hughes describe Canford Cliffs as the ‘best I’ve ever sat on’.
I actually thought the winner did it rather well. Coming from last to first and winning with a bit of authority.
Prior to landing the July Stakes his maiden form was solid, beating Gimcrack winner Showcasing and Party Doctor – who would later be placed in the Chesham at Royal Ascot and the Acomb at York. (Party Doctor had also run the useful Jira close on his debut).
Canford Cliffs won his two previous contests very well, but the form is nothing to shout about. Xtension came out and won the Vintage Stakes, but Rakaan has done nothing since.
There were a couple of impressive 2YO winners at Royal Ascot and perhaps a combination of the track, fast ground and, as far as the Coventry Stakes is concerned, strong tail wind slightly flattered the winners.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Xtension reversed his 6L beating when they meet again – he looks a most progressive horse.
Arcano is a very good horse and a race like the Dewhurst would be ideal. Some may think his Guineas price is a bit skinny, but it could look quite big if he wins at Newmarket – a place where he has won before.
Hughes said on ATR that the only reason they broke the track record was because they had a bit tail wind behind them….so that explains that.
If he does go Middle Park there obviously worried that the animal wont have the class for the Dewhurst and would rather rush him for the Middle than wait till the Dewhurst
The Hannon website suggests that Dick Turpin may be aimed at the Dewhurst
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The horse is built like a fast two year old, bred like a fast two year old and races like a fast two year old – why would you put him away now missing out on his two year old career meaning his next race would be the Guineas – a race that on breeding he is very unlikely to stay even if he was good enough.
The fact they are going for the Middle Park – and not the top 7 furlong races – tells you all you need to know about the horse.
Well first off Hughsie would disagree with you about him staying a mile and secondly he’s a totally different horse to MC who Yes you woud get every race you could out of him while you can.
I seldom disagree with you but on this point Aiden you’re a mile off the mark.
This Canford Cliffs is one exceptional animal and when you get one like him you treat him better than you would your own kids. You don’t use and abuse him like there is no tomorrow, bide your time and he” repay you 1000 times over
With respect I could not care less how far Hughes thinks he will stay…horse is bred to be a sharp and early two year old and that is all he will be (a high class one mind).
Why has the Dewhurst, National Stakes, or the Group 1 on Arc day never been mentioned for him? They are the true and genuine tests for a 2 year old colt with serious Classic aspirations and one suitable for a horse "guaranteed to get a mile" next year. Instead we have the Morny and Middle Park mentioned (they even dodged taking on the Ballydoyle colts in the Phoenix Stakes)…..everything about the horse tells us he is a two year old (regardless what connections say). Imagine we will be going around in circles on this one so will leave it at that.
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Why has the Dewhurst, National Stakes, or the Group 1 on Arc day never been mentioned for him?
From RP notes:
"We will talk to the owners about his next race, but, while the Dewhurst [October 17] remains very much an option, there is also the Middle Park Stakes [October 2], which is also a Group 1 and an important race in its own right."
Also, while breeding is an indeterminate science, there is nothing in there to suggest he is either "just a 2yo", or that 6f would be his maximum distance?Fist – i am scoobied as to how you can describe Canford Cliffs as "one execptional animal" and Sea The Stars as "ordinary".
I was pretty dissapointed with the Morny – not the quality of the race, but that there isn’t quite anything like a really exciting seemingly unbeatable 2yo, and that has now gone in CC’s case. He isn’t that, but could still be special. For now, i’m marginally in Aidens camp on this one, but its still early days.
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