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On ITV just now – “We don’t weigh our horses, but I think he is probably heavier”.
I am really surprised by this statement – if I were paying a trainer £20-25k per year I would personally class it as due diligence to monitor he / she’s weight.
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Nick Alexander published Lake View Lad’s sequence of race weights in the build up to yesterday’s Kelso Premier Chase. He was a few kilos short of his ‘best fighting weight’ yesterday (8kgs less than his Aintree win) and his run suggested he was a bit short of peak condition.
For the record Lake View Lad’s weights as Tweeted by Nick (@kinneston) yesterday:
Yesterday: 513kg
Cotswold Chase: 515kg
Many Clouds Chase: 521kg
Kelso 27.01.20: 525kg
Rowland Meyrick 2019: 530kg
Rehearsal 2019: 520kgThanks Rob. How can that NOT be useful information? I always had assumed the trainers were just reluctant to release the information, as to treat the proles as mushrooms, as is the norm.
Was genuinely staggered to hear Dan Skelton say they never bother to weigh them. Bizarre.
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Dan Skelton was on Luck On Sunday earlier, said he doesn’t weigh them as he finds it can be misleading with jumps horses.
“Dan Skelton was on Luck On Sunday earlier, said he doesn’t weigh them as he finds it can be misleading with jumps horses.”
I genuinely don’t see how it could be. Its factual information you can use in any way you see fit, including choosing to ignore it. I genuinely don’t get that.
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Nick Alexander is always forthcoming and the publication of Lake view Lad’s weights over a period of time suggest this wasn’t a one off. His blog is well worth a read and his Tweets give a little insight.
Cheers Rob. I’m curious as to which trainers don’t bother doing this, but I doubt its possible to find out. Given Skeltons background, Nicholls maybe doesn’t. Really surprises me.
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This is something that actually annoys me. Greyhounds are weighed and their weight is recorded and given out at meetings prior to the race.
Why can’t race horses be weighed when they get to the races and their weights be published. i for one would love that info.I would too, but I just assumed it was the usual of giving out as little information as possible to us proles, and that weights were monitored closely in house.
Skeltons comments suggest weights are not considered / monitored at all. I’m staggered.
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It’s because it would cost quite a bit of money for every course to have scales, someone operating said scales & updating this to somewhere for everyone to see.
Racecards are produced in advance so it would be another mechanism to add these as live data.It’s something that interests me and like wind-ops would be valid information to weigh up (pun intended). How much appetite there is for it, nobody knows, which is probably why the investment has never taken place.
Horse weighting scales can cost between £1000 and £2600 a set.
RTS can take them from course to course if money is that tight.
The read-outs are digitalised and can be wirelessly transmitted to an office.
Does not involve much manpower cost at all these days.
Hong Kong and Japan do all this a matter of routine punter information and for racing integrity.
People do not bet if the information is missing, so there it is regarded as essential betting information.The real cost in £Ms is to the punters who are put away thinking a horse has no chance, but it is now 40 pounds lighter than when it last raced in a handicap.
Conversely, the hot favourite on last meeting’s form is now 40 pounds heavier and unbeknown to the public has no chance.Doesn’t entirely surprise me that Dan Skelton isn’t the world’s biggest fan of weighing scales.
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