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No Idea.
Wondering where you stand on this one as in your own words the CPS don’t charge unless there is tangible evidence. I am puzzled if the evidence was tangible to begin with why have they now dropped the case.The CPS that you have such a high opinion of now say there is no longer a realistic chance of conviction.
The CPS is a body we can all be proud of.
The case has been dropped following on from the Fallon et al case being dropped.
It would appear that the CPS would not have sufficient evidence for a succesful prosecution.
My stand does not change and I still beleive the CPS do an excellent job under very difficult and demanding circumstances.
Then why did they charge in the first place if they do not have enough evidence to continue.
Incompetence or did they lose their nerve?I am comforted that you still have a high opinion of thes bunch of morons that have wasted another 2 million or so of our money.
Supports my theory that they are incompetent, overpaid, lawyer rejects who couldn`t organise a good drink in a Brewery (putting it mildly), in Russia they have an 100% conviction rate
I have a feeling that ‘No Idea’ might well be a member of the current government.
Avoids the question and offers a glowing testimonial on the quality of a government department that ignores all the factual evidence.
Should go far …..
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Blue Chariot
Clearly, if they charged on the back of the Fallon case and the evidence was similar then they had no choice but to drop the charges after what the trial judge said in the Fallon case.
No, I am not part of the current goverment and I certainly would not wish to live in Russia even if they have a 100% conviction rate.
It will be interesting to see if these innocent jockeys and others as people on this forum seem to beleive sue the CPS or the Police for damages and loss of earnings.
This case had no connection with the Fallon case. Completely different evidence. It was alleged that Berry conspired with O’Sullivan to lay Hillside Girl on Betfair knowing it was lame. Paul Bradley rode it and was arrested but not charged. It was not one of the suspect races in the Fallon trial. The only similarity with the cases are they were investigated by Mark Manning and his team from the discredited City of London Police.
Costs would be prohibitive to sue the Police or the CPS for loss of earnings as legal aid would not be available for such a venture which is just as well as otherwise we the taxpayer would be broke from all the damages paid to persons charged and not convicted.
Lynch and Williams were getting paid by the BHA during their ban so their claim would be hard to quantify.
Fallon was riding in Ireland and France so his loss of earnings would be in the UK & USA. It would not surprise me if he launched a claim for compensation as I guess he could afford the resources and he has always been a successful litigant in the past.No Idea says:- No, I am not part of the current goverment and I certainly would not wish to live in Russia even if they have a 100% conviction rate.
Don`t knock Russia its a bit like being in Blighty, ie the authorities are corrupt and the cost of living astronomical!!
On the positive side their women are much better looking, going out is much more fun and you don`t have to pay much tax, even the new racecourse in Moscow leaves our crappy sand tracks behind!!
Theirs a good saying…….Dòn`t knock it until you have tried it!!
No doubt the cliquey and self contained world of racing will be happy, just as they were with the Fallon case
On the positive side their women are much better looking
Their not bad in Sweden either Tony
Berry quoted as saying he still wants "to train a hundred winners a season"
You sure that he didn’t say "in my career"?
Imagine Ginger McCain, Martin Pipe and Jack Berry sharing a pint and talking turns to how their sons are doing. Jack would have to leave the room before his face matched the colour of his shirt.
For somebody who had the good fortune to start where he did, he’s not doing very well, is he?
I’d like to think that there are good reasons for the situation. Anybody know any or is he just a piss poor trainer?
Jack Berry made a career out of training sprint bred 2-y-olds, getting them fit and ready to run by March and cleaning up in maidens and sellers from the start of the turf season until the end of July. Every so often, he’d find a diamond in the dross, like Paris House, that could win at group level.
It could be argued that he got out at just the right time for three reasons – the race program has changed, the yearling prices have risen, the competition is greater.
Jack used to run up a sequence with a horse in sellers, but now you can only win two of those before being forced to go up in class. There are also far fewer sprint maidens being staged in the first two months of the season – plenty of early meetings don’t stage any 2-y-old races.
Apart from rising prices, the advent of breeze up sales has copied what Jack used to do – the pinhooker who sells at a breeze up sale has done the same work that Jack did to get horses fit and ready, and that means more competition in the races that remain in the program.
There are also more trainers running early 2-y-olds, some of them with much bigger budgets than Jack ever had – in the North, Johnston, Ryan etc.
Then again, a good trainer would have adapted to changing circumstances!
AP
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