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  • #358054
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    I think we all need a translator for that one Fely.

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    #358067
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    I understand Living Legend.That is Finsceal Beo.So what does the other one Mid Dancer refer to? Is that better? Sometimes I do my thing at 3 or 4 am that may account for the apparent black stuff (Guinness) effect.

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    :lol:

    Cheers Andyod.

    Thumbs up. :wink:

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    #358080
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    Dandino has improved with every run and can improve again to take this… Just wait and see.

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    St Nick still has everything to prove, one good run against limited opposition and he’s odds on? Not for me ta very much.

    Midday has proved time and again she is class St Nick will have to run the race of his life to beat her.

    Midday is the sensible betting option all day for me, took 7/4 yesterday, looks great value.

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    Coronation Cup Epsom

    1/ Dandino 4 9-0 (Mullrennen / Given)

    Impressive on reappearance, breaking the 1½m track record at Ripon when scoring in a conditions race by 11 lengths. Then just got back up to beat Native Ruler a nose in Jockey Club Stakes (Group 2), getting one pound. 4 lengths third there was stable companion Indian Days who gave 4lbs to his mate and renews rivalry here. Runner-up went on to frank the form with a close 4th to Duncan in Yorkshire Cup. Fourth home Campanologist well below form. Dandino probably has a little more improvement in him, but doubtful enough to challenge market principles if either runs their race. Course and distance winner at this meeting last year. Also successful at Royal Ascot and good second to Rebel Soldier in Gordon stakes at Goodwood. Won on soft ground on 2010 reappearance, but improved since on a sound surface. Very genuine with a turn of foot. My idea of his chance of winning

    7¾% 12/1

    2/ Indian Days 6 9-0 (Hanagan / Given)

    Beaten 4 lengths trying to give 4 pounds to Dandino in Jockey Club Stakes and is at level weights here. Although Indian Days does not have as good a chance as his stable mate, its puzzling why they are that far apart in the betting; 9/1 and 33/1. Earlier won John Porter (Group 3) at Newbury, giving 5 lbs and just holding on by a head from Bridge Of Gold. Subsequent Brigadier Gerrard second Poet didn’t handle the ground and trainer of fourth, Michael Bell was in poor form at the time. Indian Days won the 2010 Bosphorus Cup (a valuable Group 2) in Turkey, from Sri Putra by 2½ lengths at level weights. Equally effective on a soft or firm surface. It will be interesting to see what tactics are used; had been a front runner prior to winning at Goodwood last year. Genuine.

    4¾% 20/1

    3/ St Nicholas Abbey 4 9-0 (Moore / O’Brien)

    Seemed destined for the top when winning Racing Post Trophy. Then disappointed only start at three, just 6th in 2000 Guineas as Evens favourite. With such little racing, it is probable something physical has ailed him. This term, came on a lot for reappearance with an impressive Group 3 Huxley Stakes win. Possibly helped by main rival Harris Tweed (level weights) getting involved in a fight for the lead, going off too quickly and not even holding on for third. St Nicholas Abbey looked to have plenty in hand when passing the post 11 lengths clear of Allied Powers (levels). However, with all runners usually held up, it’s expected the Coronation Cup will be a totally different test to the strongly run 1m5f at Chester. Has a good chance if able to build on that performance; though it’s surprising he’s so short in the betting.

    42¾% 11/8

    4/ Clowance 6 8-11 (Hughes / Charlton)

    Lightly raced and had plenty of entries this season without a run; in form trainer is loathed to run her on a firm surface. Big mare with a poor action and much better form on a soft surface. Five may become four. Won 2010 St Simon Stakes quite easily by 2 lengths from Poet who was giving 6 lbs. Excellent runner-up to Alandi in 09 Irish St Leger. Like so many by Monjeu, she has shown a quirky side.

    2% 50/1

    5/ Midday 5 8-11 (Queally / Cecil)

    Wonderful mare. At least as good as ever on reappearance. Beat Sajjhaa 2 lengths with stable companion Timepiece a further 4 back in third; giving 5 lbs to both. Prolific Group 1 winner against her own sex. Won Nassau Stakes for second successive year from Stacelita, idling in front. Midday hasn’t taken on colts in a Group 1 race, but plenty she’s beaten have. She also won the Yorkshire Oaks by an easy 3 lengths from Snow Fairy, who went on to twice beat the colts in the Far East. Pix Vermaille, by ¾ length and ½ from Plumania and Sarafina. Former earlier winner in Grand Prix de Saint Cloud against male Youmzain. Latter went on to finish around 2 ¾ lengths third to Workforce in the Arc. Already proven at Epsom, Midday has improved since chasing home Sariska in the Oaks. A filly who was going well two out before finding little in last years Coronation Cup. Equally effective on a soft and firm surface and from 10 to 12 furlongs. Genuine and consistent.

    42¾% 11/8

    Midday is (imo) still value at 13/8 (I took 2/1).
    Indian Days also looks value at a much bigger price (just taken a bit of 43/1).

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    #358416
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    I fancy Midday to win this race. Hopefully her 3 pounds weight allowance and her liking for Epsom will help tip the balance.

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    #358435
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    In all seriousness I don’t expect Dandino to win, I just like him alot. I think Midday will win and maybe Dandino has a squeak of getting second place? I hope so anyway.

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    The Given pair make it at a moderate pace, with Midday tucked up behind them on the rails and St Nicholas Abbey on her outside, Clowance at the rear.

    Three furlongs out Mulrennan kicks on Dandino, Queally gets boxed on Midday behind Indian Days, who boxes on, and St Nicholas Abbey who is showing signs of discomfort on the ground and cambre and can’t muster a challenge.

    One furlong out, and Dandino’s in the clear, but with Indian Days starting to come back at him and Midday finally able to use her speed. St Nicholas Abbey is finding nothing, and is eased and passed by Clowance.

    At the line Midday’s speed gets up to best Dandino by half a length, with Indian Days a close third.

    Post-mortems as to the abject failure of the Irish challenger, Midday’s speed and Dandino’s toughness.

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    for what its worth i feel this ao’b’s way of setting the record straight regarding st nick abbey. he saw him as his best chance of a third derby and knows he made errorrs at the start of his classic year. he will bolt up tommorrow

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    Why would St.N.A. not like the firm ground? Montjeus love the firm ground, check it out.Why does he not like the camber of Epsom? Two Montjeus have won the Derby so far.Fantasy fantasy fantasy.

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    Well, we will see what the fantasy is… I very much hope I’m wrong and that Dandino hangs on for the Club, but 2nd to Midday will do fine!

    Having watched St Nicholas Abbey’s strange run at Chester again, I rather fancy that Mr O’Brien has picked the wrong horse for this course: Await the Dawn would have been nailed on. St Nicholas Abbey ran at Chester as if something was hurting him, or as if he didn’t much like being asked for an effort. He’s no odds on chance tomorrow for sure, having only one weak Group 3 to his name since his 2yo days (and what did he beat then? … Layali Al Andalus. Elusive Pimpernel. Dancing David. Al Zir. And that one couldn’t even beat Balcarce Nov at Nottingham yesterday.)

    Midday shouldn’t be beaten. If she is, one of the Given pair are most likely to do it, in my opinion. And I agree with Ginger that Indian Days is the value bet as of now.

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    I think/hope Midday’s track experience will give her an edge over the Ballydoyle colt.

    If memory serves St Nicholas Abbey failed to handle the dip in the 2,000 Guineas, staying on once he met the rising ground.

    Of course a horse can be forgiven one bad one but at odds on I would rather support the Cecil mare who we know handles the track and has started this campaign apparently more forward than the last.

    I am also glad connections have at last consented to pitch her in against the colts – she has nothing to prove at present sticking to races restriced to fillies/mares and everythign to gain in terms of prestige by winning a race of this nature.

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    Astounded that Indian Days is priced with Clowance. And 8/1 for Dandino? Both are value for e/w. SNA is WAY WAY too short.

    #358598
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    85 in running there. Hope a few of the layers managed to jump ship. 5k down the tubes at the minimum on Midday.

    #358599
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    Brilliant ride by Ryan Moore, very poor ride by Queally.

    Queally did not learn from the Nassau last year, when she idled badly after going clear. Only going on again once Stacelita came alongside. Unfortunately here St Nich came wide (probably well thought out by Moore / coolmore).
    Also, why go for home so soon when we know Midday has so much speed at lesser trips?

    Might have been the same result had things panned out differently, but we will never know.

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    Brilliant ride by Ryan Moore, very poor ride by Queally.

    Queally did not learn from the Nassau last year, when she idled badly after going clear. Only going on again once Stacelita came alongside. Unfortunately here St Nich came wide (probably well thought out by Moore / coolmore).
    Also, why go for home so soon when we know Midday has so much speed at lesser trips?

    Might have been the same result had things panned out differently, but we will never know.

    Think thats a bit harsh Ginge, thought Queally produced Midday at the right time then St Nicholas Abbey just had more power once he got himself balanced.

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