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Bet365 here too so a win. Rounded off with a treble after Judicial and Horseplay going in.
Thank you Jac. Well done on RL.
It might not be over yet. I’m still in the placepot at both Sandown & Haydock. Haydock for a fiver, I need Lashabee & Red Starlight. Sandown I have two fiver lines live, Point Hope & Rouge in the next, & Platitude in the last.
I doubt either will pay a fortune today if I get them up… But every little helps.
Great bet Nausered
and Mike too
I’ve had half a double up with Buridan coming home and waiting on Alqaab running in one minute at Beverley..off to watch
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Story of my life..
Alqaab missed the break and was 8 lengths off the pace, making ground fast at the finish but too much to do..got 3rd of 5 runners.Definitely one for the notebook though as ran very green today,nice looking horse.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Saxon was badly placed in Epsom derby and Moore asleep when the pace quickened, said it before about Moore at Epsom he needs to look at how Lester rode Epsom.
Irish derby mess of a race and eclipse when O’brien hit Saxon he went forward then O’brien was messing around as to which hand to have the whip in confused Saxon hence the reason lion passed him. Saxon wouldn’t be having these problems if Fallon was on board, stronger jockey needed for me Kirby. I didn’t have a bet in race.
Oh and what a shambles of a World Cup.
Horse would have won if he was good enough in all three, was probably in a worse position in the the guineas and still prevailed, just drop him to a mile and he wont have any problems.
Thanks Jac. Yesterday was a great day. Unlucky with your double. Just a shame Kane did not grab a goal too.
Troy, I’d say Coolmore have ruined Saxon since the 2000, not Ryan. He’s had the bum deal with Saxon. The horses two good chances this year, out of his four runs… He was ridden by O’Brien JR.
Coolmore are so desperate to find a non Galileo son, who can win the Derby now, it clouds everything else. Saxon may have been running over 1m as a 2yo… But as a 2yo, Saxon was more like a 3yo in size. Deep Impact is a great sire, but as I said before the Derby, the vast majority of his top class offspring, tend to be 1m-1m2f horses. Saxons mother was a miler who did not get 1m4f, he quickened like a top class sprinter in the 2000… How any of this adds up to 1m4f/1m6f… Is just silly really.
If they had gone to Ascot over the mile, then gone for the Eclipse yesterday, he’d very likely be unbeaten, and being hailed as the best horse since Frankel.
I bet small trainers look at the handling of Saxon and wince. Oh to be in a situation where you can throwaway a champions career, in the pursuit of a non Galileo derby winner.
I think his last three races clearly show that whilst he will likely be competitive for gaining a place over races at 10-12F, those distances are in truth beyond his optimum trip.
After the RP Trophy win I was thinking he was a middle distance horse all ends up but after seeing the way he picked up in the 2000g that screamed miler. To me the Derby he travelled like the best horse to around Tattenham Corner (i.e. just past a mile) but then showed that it was only his latent ability that kept him in touch without ever looking like he was going to win, the Irish Derby run just reinforced that opinion.
Saturday’s race again didn’t give me any reason to change my mindset on him as I believe that had RL been able to have gotten more cover up the home straight (instead of having to switch out and come wide down the outside) he would have won more comfortably as Murphy would have been able to of used his turn of foot much later and not got drawn into a set to from 2F out.
I don’t see SW being able to turn the tables if they clashed again over 10F and I do see a drop back to 8F as being the best option for him for races like the Sussex, Marois, Moulin, QE2 & BC Mile.
My two concerns for him now would be that he has had 3 really hard races in 5 weeks all on very quick ground (and there is less than 4 weeks to the Sussex) and he would likely be facing a much fresher horse in Without Parole who is also likely to be still on an upward curve having only run 4 times compared to SW’s seven runs.
If he wasn’t staying 10F well yesterday he wouldn’t have kept going past the line for another furlong or two. He just isn’t as good as most of us thought.
Yep LD73, 3 hard races on fast ground in 5 weeks is a lot for a big heavy horse, especially a youngster.
Seems people are still refusing to change their minds about Saxon Warrior, no matter how much evidence is put in front of them.
I said before the Eclipse running SW here smacks of desperation; trying to win a Group 1 10f race now – because he won’t be good enough to beat a top form Cracksman or Enable. “Desperation” may be, but give O’Brien and Team Coolmore credit, SW ran as well as could be expected with or without the Irish Derby run. Below best when 2 1/2 lengths behind Roaring Lion at Epsom, just a neck in it here – running really well. Cliffs Of Moher finished 2 1/2 lengths further back in 3rd. That horse had been beaten 3 3/4 lengths by King George VI favourite Crystal Ocean in the Hardwicke and 2 lengths by Lancaster Bomber in the Group 1 Tatts Gold Cup. (Winner probably flattered in latter when given an easy lead). So the Eclipse form is good.
Beating the Derby winner and third at Newmarket does not neccessarily make Saxon Warrior the better horse. Masar and Roaring Lion were not what they later became. Gustav Klimt also below form in both Guineas’s before a good second at Ascot. Tip Two Win and Elarqam keep the form of the 2000 Guineas down… ie Is beating Tip Two Win 1 1/2 lengths, with a further 3/4 length back to Elarqam really any better than beating Cliffs Of Moher 2 1/2?
Saxon Warrior wasn’t stopping and once again Roaring Lion travelled better through the race. Make no mistake Saxon Warrior stayed the 10f trip.
Who knows? Saxon Warrior might show the small amount of improvement neccesary to reverse placings at York. However, imo the Eclipse shows us the current merits of both Roaring Lion and Saxon Warrior; if anything the winner worth adding a pound or two for a wide trip.
We even got Team Coolmore trying to get victory in the stewards room, after minimal interference between principles. They should’ve disqualified the horse; that “horse” being Saxon Bloody Warrior! Once again the ugly face of team tactics going unpunished. Jockey on Coolmore second-string going wider than neccesary (deliberately to his own mount Happily’s disadvantage) in order to force Coolmore’s main rival to go wider still.
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