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No comparison really AJ as they are two entirely differnet sorts. Syncranised always needs a boot in the belly to bring out the best in him whereas Get me Out Of Here will run his heart out for you. (In Febuary ;0))
Cards on the table, they probably ran him knowing full well he was unlikely to win. He was outpaced most likely still short of a gallop. AP made sure he had a good blow and kept him up to his work and the job was done to perfection.
No rules to say you can’t run a chaser in a hurdle race as long as you try and McCoy had plenty horse under him albeit a slow one at stages. Thought he gave him a very good ride.
As far as Jonjo goes I call it the art of cheating without cheating as it is within the rules. We all know the plan so don’t knock it back it is what I say.
Doesn’t ewactly hide the plan does he? Two Grand national winners in ahurdle race………but then he never wrote the rule book did he?
NB: In case you’re wondering, the Synchronised that ran today and the Synchronised that currently sits atop the ante-post market for the Welsh National in 18 days, are one and the same.
An O’Neill horse getting a quite one over hurdles before transforming over fences next time out. Has this ever happened before?
(….the big pull he took half way down the back of the 2nd lap yesterday)
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Doesn’t ewactly hide the plan does he? Two Grand national winners in a hurdle race…
Running National winners over hurdles has become an intriguing fashion generally.
Hedgehunter, Comply or Die, Mon Mome (who ran very well in the Grade 2 Novice [!] hurdle at this meeting last year) and now Don’t Push It have all been prepped over the smaller obstacles. Presumably in (generally misguided) hope of keeping weight rises down for the Big One itself.
I don’t remember this approach being regularly taken before the millennium. Or am I wrong?
How does McCoy’s leniency with Get Me Out Of Here compare to his late-show aboard Synchronised in a handicap hurdle at Cheltenham this afternoon?
NB: In case you’re wondering, the Synchronised that ran today and the Synchronised that currently sits atop the ante-post market for the Welsh National in 18 days, are one and the same.
Well, from positions where both had no chance of winning he completely gave up on a favourite but rode a 14/1 shot right out to the line.
Synchronised was always going to struggle in a slowly run race at 3 miles over hurdles. Looking at the result, Winner had 2 mile speed, second was far from certain to stay 3 miles and third had the run of the race in front.
Synchronised travelled better than I thought he would. May be he could have been a little more aggressive on the back straight, but not in the same league as the GMOOH run.
Fact he stayed on so well, does give a very good pointer to the Welsh National, but bookies saw the race too and acted accordingly.
Value Is EverythingDoesn’t ewactly hide the plan does he? Two Grand national winners in a hurdle race…
Running National winners over hurdles has become an intriguing fashion generally.
Hedgehunter, Comply or Die, Mon Mome (who ran very well in the Grade 2 Novice [!] hurdle at this meeting last year) and now Don’t Push It have all been prepped over the smaller obstacles. Presumably in (generally misguided) hope of keeping weight rises down for the Big One itself.
I don’t remember this approach being regularly taken before the millennium. Or am I wrong?
Vincent O’Brien once told Ted Walsh that he should school his horses over hurdles before going to Aintree to give them confidence. He mentions it in the two articles below:
Mangan went where both the others had tread before and prepared Monty’s Pass over hurdles after his third place in the Munster National last October. This preserved both his handicap mark and his appetite for jumping.
It is not a new trick. It was the modus operandi of Vincent O’Brien when he hoovered up the 1953-55 Nationals with Early Mist, Royal Tan and Quare Times.
"Vincent did it years ago. He started the idea that you didn’t have to school over big ones to get ready for Aintree," Ted Walsh, Papillon’s trainer, said. "Putting up those pretend Liverpool fences and going over those is bullshit. You need to be going for the National with a confident horse."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/racing-low-road-to-aintree-proves-perfect-route-for-mangan-593638.html
Although not without other problems, a year ago Papillon had Ted close to despair. "His last two runs had been bad. He seemed to be losing interest," says the trainer, before climbing on to his tractor. "So I changed everything. Changed his feed, the time of day he went out, and where he went, too. We even ran him over hurdles to sharpen him up. Vincent O’Brien once said to me that the most important thing with old chasers is to keep up their confidence. Look at him," he added, nodding proudly at the swanky brute beneath me, "he’s a very confident yoke now."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/2995983/Father-Ted-laughing-all-the-way-to-success.html
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Thank you
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– most interesting quotes, and proof that the idea goes back to at least the early 1950’s. It’s a strategy which certainly seems to pay dividends.
Now i"m No Inspector Clueless but i noticed Leslie Graham mentioning on Channel 4 that AP was the special guest on the morning line next Saturday from Ascot,obviously that would suggest good timing for a bit of PR before the votes for Sports Personality have been counted but to those of us with a more investigative nature would perhaps think its also because he rides Get me out of here in the Ladbroke hurdle on the same day! Of course the obvious question that will/should be asked is "Has GMOOH got any chance today Tone" cringe! AP"s response could decide is fate! Is it too risky to even run the horse? I bloody hope so as i"ve backed it! As for
Synchronised
AJ, he caught my eye for sure,so much so that i have refused to watch the re-run as i"m all over Notre Pere for the Welsh National!
Pat Keane’s take on the matter.
A well written piece by Pat Keane and very diplomatically put.I think if Get Me Out Of Here continues to show nothing for the remainder of the season,even when,i hasten to add,he is better handicapped then AP"s decision will be vindicated! However if he goes and wins the Ladbroke then Lydia and Steves opinion will be villified. I have to dissagree with Pat where he says AP will only need 5 minutes to fight his corner in a head to head with Lydia because he is very articulate! Lydia is like an articulated Lorry when it comes to expressing herself she knows words that haven"t even made the Dictionary and she eats them for breakfast! In a war of words i"d go 1/3 Lydia v 3/1 AP! Having just read that back and done my spell check i notice i too can use big words that begin with "V"!
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Having just read that back and done my spell check i notice i too can use big words that begin with "V"!
Although I’m puzzled about which "V" word you’re actually after. For "vilified" [sic.] should we read "verified"??
Mr Keane’s article says it (nearly) all. Never having felt that McCoy had any case to answer myself, surely the sensible thing to have done would have been to have answered back calmly and swiftly, on air.
The (nearly) is the personal needle that – as posters to this thread have pointed out – clearly exists between Mr McCoy and Ms Hislop, at least on his side. Hard to imagine anyone getting long-term rabid with sunny Steve Mellish.
Having just read that back and done my spell check i notice i too can use big words that begin with "V"!
Although I’m puzzled about which "V" word you’re actually after. For "vilified" [sic.] should we read "verified"??
Sorry Pinza the word was Vindilificated! My mistake!
TAPK – I’ll bet even Lydia doesn’t use great big words like vindilificated.
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TAPK – I’ll bet even Lydia doesn’t use great big words like vindilificated.
Its not Great big words I"d like to teach Lydia! She"s got that suppressed look in her eye that needs "quenching"!
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Is it a good time for Pat Keane to bring out an article like this when we’re all trying to get AP a deserved award?
Is it a good time for Pat Keane to bring out an article like this when we’re all trying to get AP a deserved award?
I guess that when you are a journalist you have to write about what is happening “right now” rather than what happened two or three months ago. You cannot expect a journalist to forego a good story just for the sake of a sports award show. There are editors, shareholders and families to feed, especially in Ireland’s current financial situation. Anyway AP himself doesn’t seem to mind that there has been a bit of a minor fuss. I expect he is well content to be forever known as the toughest, most determined, most successful NH jockey. An annual BBC award does not come close to the continuing knowledge of racing fans about his lifetime achievements.
Choc Thornton has quite a bit more to say on this (the Lydia/AP spat) in his article in today’s RP.
I’m not sure I agree with his (Thornton’s) reasoning for not giving immediate post race interviews (i.e. that he feels the trainer/owner should be spoken to first). He says it was policy at David Nicholson’s but surely times have moved on. I’m not sure many owners or trainers would object to the jockey having a word with the media – within reason. He refuses interviews when riding winners for trainers and owners for whom other jockeys do give interviews so it is surely him and not the trainer or owner that doesn’t want the interview.
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