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It”s not AP who should be the one apologising.
When you finally pull your head from AP"s A*se and look in the mirror,you will see he eats Beans on Toast like the rest of us!
He too has been known to slop them down him and when you do they can leave a nasty little stain! I wouldn"t like to think that AP went out to ride GMOOH to get beaten like that but hindsight shows at those weights he never had a prayer of winning! The problem now is as connections sit round the table discussing plans is the eyes of the world are watching and when GMOOH walks into the winners enclosure at Ascot in a fortnights time,questions will be asked! Answers to suit will be given,the BHA will make a note of it and the show moves on! Its no worse than what Binocular did and didn"t do last year,funnily enough they are going to do the exact same thing this year with him!
Funny old game as Jimmy Greaves would say! Your problem isn"t with AP its with Lydia, Fisty! She rattled you last year on Timeform radio too! Get over it! 
He’s won 5 times on this horse and he knew turning for home he had no horse under him something that became very clear on his next run when beaten out of sight by Menorah.
I don’t quite get that way of thinking.
So we learnt at the next start McCoy was wrong to keep going on a horse that is under-performing then?
If he had nothing underneath him, like you say, and doesn’t wish to put a whole lot effort into the ride for that reason, why was the horse not pulled up?
Fist,
You are once again making out the two RUK’s presenters were the only ones to believe this was a poor ride. That is NOT true.
Timeform’s comments of GMOOH "very much caught the eye"… and … "briefly asked for an effort" suggests (more tactfully) they thought the horse was looked after a little too much.
May be GMOOH would not have won, but what about those punters who backed him each way? Don’t they deserve a better run for their money?
I very much doubt if Jonjo’s horse is "amiss". Failed to settle in both races this term, going some way to explain the below par performances. Though even by pulling; it is my belief he would’ve been placed at Ascot if persevered with.
I have not seen any accusation of cheating, to say the stewards should have looked in to it is totally different. AP (and Fist) have over-reacted.
Value Is EverythingFist,
May be GMOOH would not have won,
but what about those punters who backed him each way
? Don’t they deserve a better run for their money?
Who’s going to back a 5/2 shot EW?
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Fist,
May be GMOOH would not have won,
but what about those punters who backed him each way
? Don’t they deserve a better run for their money?
Who’s going to back a 5/2 shot EW?
Plenty of people back short-price horses each-way, Kribensis; it minimises their losses. Even if they didn’t, the forecast and tricast players would have a financial interest in certain horses being given an easy time.
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Don’t you understand Ginge the horse had gone completely? The lights were on but no one was home, the tank was out of gas.
GMOOH was still trying without AP’s assistance and with it he might have finished a ferw lengths closer but that would have been about it.
IMVHO.
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Fist,
You are once again making out the two RUK’s presenters were the only ones to believe this was a poor ride. That is NOT true.
Timeform’s comments of GMOOH "very much caught the eye"… and … "briefly asked for an effort" suggests (more tactfully) they thought the horse was looked after a little too much.
May be GMOOH would not have won, but what about those punters who backed him each way? Don’t they deserve a better run for their money?
I very much doubt if Jonjo’s horse is "amiss". Failed to settle in both races this term, going some way to explain the below par performances. Though even by pulling; it is my belief he would’ve been placed at Ascot if persevered with.
I have not seen any accusation of cheating, to say the stewards should have looked in to it is totally different. AP (and Fist) have over-reacted.
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Yopu tell em Ginge
Sure he does. Only a few days ago, he was telling us AP had never ridden Albertas Run correctly over 3m.These p[eople were wrong to make a big thing out of this. There was no booing and shouting cheat from the crowd only them bumping their gums for the sake of it.
"These people" did not say AP was "cheating" either. All they wanted was an enquirey. It was a very poorly judged ride, one that deservrd to be looked in to.
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You really that naive? Explains the post then doesn’t it?
Yopu tell em Ginge
Sure he does. Only a few days ago, he was telling us AP had never ridden Albertas Run correctly over 3m. You must go through all my posts Reet, making notes as you go. I’d completely forgotten about that one.I think AP and Jonjo have got the hang of Alberta’s Run now.
Hopefully he will ride him the same way at 3 miles as he does over shorter from now on.Actually, scrub that. If he runs in the King George, I could do with Alberta’s being held up. Giving an easy lead to Nacarat.
Value Is EverythingYou really that naive? Explains the post then doesn’t it?
If you have seen any accusations of cheating then please give quotes.
Where is there any evidence of the horse being amiss? Must have got over it pretty quickly for Jonjo to risk such a good horse just two weeks later.
If you really think AP is going to come out and say "I cocked it up big time", then you are the one who is naive. Of course jockeys and trainers make excuses all the time (including your mate Jonjo, when you can get anything out of him that is). Does not mean we should believe them every time. Use your eyes man!
I think you are to close in this case Fist, to form an independent, fair, unbiased opinion. Let us face it, when would you criticise anything that came out of Jackdaws Castle?
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Are you serious? What the hell is this entire thread about if not the fact these people were saying AP never tried?
He’s ran two stinkers miles below his best and you think nothing is amiss.
So if nothing was amiss with the horse are we to conclude you think he was stopped?
If you keep contradicting yourself Ginge we could be here all year.
So come on which is it to be?
Are you serious? What the hell is this entire thread about if not the fact these people were saying AP never tried?
He’s ran two stinkers miles below his best and you think nothing is amiss.
So if nothing was amiss with the horse are we to conclude you think he was stopped?
If you keep contradicting yourself Ginge we could be here all year.
So come on which is it to be?
Something amiss
The BHA require all jockeys and trainers to report to the racecourse stewards if they know or suspect that there was any problem with a horse that prevented it from running a normal race. It’s a rule, they must do it. All these reports are available from the BHA website, there are usually several at every meeting. Jockeys and trainers have been fined by the BHA when they have failed to report and it has been noticed by someone else, a vet for instance. As well as the obvious reasons like, lost a shoe, saddle slipped, went lame, etc, there are many reports which just say things like, the horse stopped quickly, the horse did not come down the hill, the horse tired quickly in the ground. There were no reports from either AP McCoy or Jonjo O’Neill after the Ascot race (beaten 16L) or the Cheltenham race (beaten 23L).
Earlier in this thread were quotes about commentators who don’t ride racehorses having little clue about how a horse feels when it is amiss or struggling in a race. It seems that in two races, and in the gallops between races, the jockey, trainer, work riders and vet of GMOOH have not been able to say that the horse has been amiss at any time. Even straight after its two poor performances. Are you implying that they are incompetent, and you are able tell that the horse is amiss just by watching a TV replay? That puts you in the same category as non-riding commentators according to AP McCoy.
What the hell is this entire thread about if not the fact these people were saying AP never tried?
This thread is about AP Mcoy’s reactions – not talking to RUK, and saying in writing that RUK commentators insinuated that he was a cheat. Many commentators, as well as the RUK ones, made similar comments about the ride that the horse was given. There may be very good reasons why the horse was ridden like that, but the stewards didn’t ask and the jockey and trainer didn’t volunteer any information. In similar circumstances commentators have been critised for not pointing out unusual happenings in races and for being too cosy with members of the racing fraternity. But outspoken commentators don’t usually have the ammunition to go to their lawyers with, like the RUK commentators have, if they chose to take it further.
Are you serious? What the hell is this entire thread about if not the fact these people were saying AP never tried?
He’s ran two stinkers miles below his best and you think nothing is amiss.
So if nothing was amiss with the horse are we to conclude you think he was stopped?
If you keep contradicting yourself Ginge we could be here all year.
So come on which is it to be?
Marginal Value has told you what this thread is all about.
In my opinion the stewards should have held an enquirey, and LOOKED AT what happened in far more detail than I am able to. As I’ve said on this thread before; I believe, from what I have seen, AP rode a poor race. A misjudgement. He gave the horse too easy a ride in the straight. I do NOT believe GMOOH was in any way stopped. But had the stewards held that enquirey, they could have made 100% certain the horse was not stopped. The incident looked bad enough to hold an enquirey.
No contradiction Fist, I suggest you go back and read what I’ve said more carefully.
In my opinion nothing was "amiss". Simple fact is in both races this term GMOOH has taken a strong hold. Stronger than he did for any of his wins last season. Probably been too free at home too. Jonjo has done the right thing keeping him to handicaps / big fields. Should be (though it hasn’t worked so far in GMOOH’s case) easier to settle a horse in a truly run big field; than a small field slowly run conditions race.
There is sure to be a race where GMOOH relaxes better and returns to his Supreme / Totesport Trophy form.
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How does McCoy’s leniency with Get Me Out Of Here compare to his late-show aboard Synchronised in a handicap hurdle at Cheltenham this afternoon?
NB: In case you’re wondering, the Synchronised that ran today and the Synchronised that currently sits atop the ante-post market for the Welsh National in 18 days, are one and the same.
Funny old game as Jimmy Greaves would say! Your problem isn"t with AP its with Lydia, Fisty! She rattled you last year on Timeform radio too! 
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