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It doesn’t get much thicker than scheduling the 6.20 at Wolverhampton to be run at exactly the same time as the 6.20 at Meydan (no other races 30 mins either side) which was broadcast live on 3 British television channels as well as in the bookmakers.
Not much point Roy & Co whinging about levy loopholes when they fail miserably time and again to maximise what they’ve already got.350 lingfield v 350 Maydan? Pathetic
What an effing joke! Forget the fact that it’s only the 2000gns trial!
I’m getting sick of the ineptness. Sick, sick, sick.Oh, so the BHA are supposed to delay races for Dubai now are they?
Never mind that that would have left a possible clash with the 3.40 at Ludlow (had it not been called off) or the 4.00 at Taunton.Perhaps it’s the BHA’s fault that Meydan are hosting a 2000 Guineas Trial with four year olds in it too. One of which won it.
All it calls for is a little latitude and a couple of extra turns behind the stalls to keep everyone happy. I really don’t see the problem with ‘racing the entity’ working with the TV channels to keep the coverage trundling along nicely? Unless the BHA are oblivious to the fact that Maydan hosts the trials for their own upcoming classics? How ridiculous it is that UK racing fans could possibly be interested in such fare, and would much rather watch a split screen with the 350 at leafy?
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All it calls for is a little latitude and a couple of extra turns behind the stalls to keep everyone happy. I really don’t see the problem with ‘racing the entity’ working with the TV channels to keep the coverage trundling along nicely? Unless the BHA are oblivious to the fact that Maydan hosts the trials for their own upcoming classics?
I’m actually a bit confused by the 2000 Guineas trial. The name of the race was the UAE 2000 Guineas Trial. Is there a UAE version of the race?
And as I mentioned, if it’s a trial for our race, it being won by a four year old doesn’t tell us much.
And as I mentioned, if it’s a trial for our race, it being won by a four year old doesn’t tell us much.
Yeah, i’m a little confused about that too. They do have their own 2000g at the end of the festival, but 4yos being part of it is a strange one. I would be interested in whether a 4yo winner of the trial could be entered in the actual race, or whether it is there just to make up the numbers?
Many Derby trial winners don’t run in the Derby for example. But it is strange that a 4yo would enter a trial for a race open to only 3yos?
As for our race, it bears relevance as important form lines are established.I do wonder about the validity of these ‘trials’
Four year olds in a Guineas trial (today). A hurdle debutant in a Champion Hurdle trial (Haydock,Saturday), do Wolves still have a Lincoln trial?Maybe it’s just a name. Mind you, I do think the prize money of racing a Meydan flatters to deceive. Dubai will throw money at anything because they can, it’s not an assurance of quality or genuine prestige.
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I do wonder about the validity of these ‘trials’
Four year olds in a Guineas trial (today).They aren’t exactly four, more 3.5 as they’re Southern Hemisphere horses, from South Africa, Brazil (or anywhere else in S. America, or Australasia) where foalings and seasons start naturally enough six months earlier than ours.
The 4yo winner today was foaled 7/9/07, the 3yo runner up 10/4/08, so despite the 3yo being a late foal there was only 7 months difference in age. And yes, the winner can run in the UAE Derby.
Maybe it’s just a name. Mind you, I do think the prize money of racing a Meydan flatters to deceive. Dubai will throw money at anything because they can, it’s not an assurance of quality or genuine prestige.
Agreed: prize money makes little difference to either quality or prestige. British Racing remains the highest quality and most competitive in the world, at pattern level.
Oh come on chaps. There were some magnificent horses running yesterday. Much as I like to watch four runner sellers with a 1-3 favourite who had the race won the very microsecond the stalls opened, I’d much rather have watched some of the beautiful horseflesh over in Dubai.
Dubai will throw money at anything because they can, it’s not an assurance of quality or genuine prestige.
The Dubaians would run for nothing – part of the reason they offer such lush rewards is to attract runners from other countries. There are grants and expense packages. British trainers have sent their biggest ever collective raiding party, ditto South Africa.
The latter country has sent some proper racehorses, though, to be fair, many of our best racehorses are Dubai/Maktoum owned (e.g. Derbaas, Spring of Fame, Simon De Montfort, from yesterday.) and are automatically transferred from Britain to Dubai for the carnival.
Incidentally, Ballydoyle have made their first entries for six years. A sign of thawing relations between the superpowers?
They couldn’t be bothered delaying the first at Wolves by 60 seconds therefore avoiding a direct clash with Newbury and the subsequent knock on effect to the levy.
By the way Silvoir you have previously stated that when there are 3 afternoon meetings the 15 minute gap after a race, if there is one, comes at a meeting on the channel that is covering 2 of the meetings. Todays 15 minute gap came after the Newbury races, explain that one Silvoir
They couldn’t be bothered delaying the first at Wolves by 60 seconds therefore avoiding a direct clash with Newbury and the subsequent knock on effect to the levy.
By the way Silvoir you have previously stated that when there are 3 afternoon meetings the 15 minute gap after a race, if there is one, comes at a meeting on the channel that is covering 2 of the meetings. Todays 15 minute gap came after the Newbury races, explain that one SilvoirI don’t think there was time at Wolverhampton to delay the race by any time considering the second race was 25 minutes later.
Does that happen often? A 25 minute gap between races, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
Also, how would holding the Wolves race back help the levy? That’s banking alot on people that haven’t already made their selections being able to pick them & get their slips in in double quick time.
Does that happen often? A 25 minute gap between races, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before.
Not uncommon on the Flat throughout the year. In the main it seems to be races early on the card that have the shorter gaps. Why, I don’t know
Plenty of Hamilton’s evening cards used to start with one or two 25-minute headways between races – certainly during the 1980s and possibly for a little while after that. Also noticed the Wolverhampton example quoted above and thought it something of a throwback, therefore!
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Only two meetings on the go in this country at 5.30 but both meetings had 5 furlong races run at exactly the same time today.
You couldn’t make it up, we are told it makes perfect sense to number stalls the other way round but not a finger is lifted by the powers that be to avoid two 5 furlong races being run at exactly the same time.Eddie,
you post every time there is a clash of races, your last post being over 2 weeks ago. I assume that means the BHA had around 16 days of no races clashing.
Are you going to post every time they have a day of no clashing and praise the BHA for not letting races clash again or are you only good at criticising?
deep sensation,
Of course I’m only going to post when they get it wrong (when there is no excuse for it happening)
Thought we were supposed to be striving for every bit of levy and prize money, it’s not for my personal benefit.
Of course it goes along swimmingly the vast majority of the time, races are timed for that to happen, it’s when there’s a delay to a race that it becomes a factor and the vast majority of the time when a clash looms nothing is done.
To have two 5 furlong races run at exactly the same time at the only two meetings taking place at the time is totally inexcusable (what’s Jamie Stier doing?)I will continue to post on the issue when I see fit unless Paul Struthers comes on here and states that clashes such as yesterday do not matter and they have no intention of doing anything to avoid them, something that you seem to concur with.
The really annoying thing is they are capable of avoiding clashes when they put their mind to it.
I was at Lingfield the day of the Rodi Green / Aidan Coleman incidents in the first race.
Initially racing was put back 30 minutes for all the remaining races, to ensure the original gaps were maintained.
There was then another incident after the second race, where a horse had to be treated for exhaustion. This led to a further 10 minute delay to racing which then resulted in a potential clash with Kelso.
What then happened was the races at Lingfield were further delayed, to go off following completion of each of the Kelso races, thus avoiding any clash but meaning Lingfield were then running some 47 minutes late.
Somebody was clearly co-ordinating this, although it may have helped that both courses were ATR courses!!!!
I see Eddie, you’re just a bloke who likes moaning.
Much easier to moan than praise.
I see you’ve even moaned when British Racing clashes with foreign racing. Why do the BHA have to work around overseas racing? Why can’t they work around ours?
And where would you like the avoidance of races clashing to stop? Why don’t the BHA monitor French, German, Italian, South African & American Racing? All of which can be seen in the betting shops.
I’m sure they could find a 3 minute gap amongst all of that to let our races go. Unless there is a greyhound race scheduled.
Do you think anyone in authority is going to bother responding to you, especially as you’ve admitted you are only going to moan on the odd occasion races clash?
deep sensation,
As the BHA advertised a post some 15 months ago for a person to avoid race clashes presumably they considered there was a problem although for the vast majority of the time as you pointed out things run fairly well as they should.
Why would they advertise the post if things were as good as you think?The BHA only have control over our racing so you will not find me complaining about our races clashing with Irish racing or other foreign racing except in exceptional circumstances as was the case with a race at Meydan being broadcast live on 3 British tv channels having to compete with a race at Wolverhampton when there was no need and no other racing.
You may not think it’s important but at the end of the day it’s all about levy and prize money especially with the current financial plight of British racing and the BHA should be trying to maximise levy wherever’s possible.
Don’t give a monkey’s about anyone in authority responding to me but it would be handy to know where the BHA stand on races clashing then we can move on.
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