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Just watched the documentary on ITV; is there anyone in football these days with anything like his charisma?
Clough was a one off. What a guy ! The young Brian Clough makes Jose Mourinho surly by comparison. He never shirked an issue and always spoke his mind.
He made Don Revie look stupid in their interview with Austin Mitchell.
The older Clough was even more eccentric, more irascible and unpredictable. I remember Nottingham Forest played Celtic in the Uefa Cup in 1983. The 1st leg was at the City Ground and a wall collapsed next to one of the corner flags because of the sheer numbers of Celtic fans in that section. Clough instantly thought that the Celtic fans were fighting and was so incensed that he arose from his dugout and ran over to remonstrate – he then chucked the Celtic Club pennant at either them or the then Celtic manager, Daviid Hay – can’t remember which.
He later apologised when the real reason as to why the wall had collapsed was revealed to him.
It was England’s loss that he was never appointed national team manager.
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I hate the word genius butfor me he is the only manager in my time taht was genuinely gifted in a special way…
The key to this was that his style was almost entirely original and instinctive. Also he took stances against the prevailing trends (in terms of football style and respect for refs an national teams) and his actual achievments were frankly astonishing (if all too brief)
others have collected more silverwear at clubs where success is expected. Some have produced great teams with fine resources but its more often than not been in an entirely conventional manner. And they have been predictably boorish and juvenile in their day to day dealings…
Another key element to his enormous gifts (and i think this is crucial) is the way he moulded real difficult mavericks (lloyd Burns Roberson ect0 into a great team and made them great team players (rather than jetisoning them because they made a mild comment in a bio or whatever)
Yes
A genius
It’s like one of the players said; they all wanted his approval…wanted to do their best for him; even though he was a Forest fan, my S.O. used to go to the Baseball Ground in those days because he said the atmosphere was amazing….I find it difficult to get enthusiastic about football these days, and would love to go back in time to one of those matches. When he died we went to Pride Park to sign the book and it was wonderful to see all the messages and shirts and scarves from Rams and Forest fans, and it’s kinda nice to drive along Brian Clough Way which joins the two cities together.
I went to the cinema today ( April 1st ) to see The Damned United.
Outstanding performance by Michael Sheen as Clough, but I was slightly disappointed with certain aspects of the film.
I tried to suspend belief, but I just could not get my head around Stephen Graham as Billy Bremner ( Harpo Marx meets This Is England ) or Timothy Spall as Peter Taylor. Brilliant actor as Spall is, I think he was miscast as Peter Taylor, who was not only taller than Clough, but more flamboyant , much more talkative and certainly more assertive than he was portrayed.
Nonetheless, still watchable.
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It’s such a shame that Cloughie and Peter Taylor never made friends before they both died. Really looking forward to seeing the film when I’ve got Aintree out the way. Will be interested to see what the Americans make of the film.
Yes, Moe, our twin cities were as one in the sunlight on the moment of ol’ Green Sweatshirt’s passing, with the scarves, the wreaths, and the torrent of kind words, but hostilities were renewed not a month ago, when Trent-enders began turning on ex-Pride Park stalwart Billy Davies after three weeks in post, a dead rams skull was thrown through the bay window of a Chaddesden pub, the girlfriend of a Derby fan in the wrong end was headbutted next to the tea bar, and a Derby fan was knocked over by a 4 x 4 on Trent Bridge – all courtesy of the monocellular, prehistoric organisms known as Nottingham Forest fans.
As cannaibalistic urges were fuelled by pure rage, a Red was attacked by his own for having curly hair outside a local kebab shop and another was shot in the leg in St Ann’s. A sad indictment of the capacity for friendship across the A52 between Derby County, and the ex-European Champion bribery artists and current Championship relegation favourites.
And as for "Judas" Allardyce, Pete…I could get propEH norty about that fa…
There was sheeps head thrown through a window of a pub in Alvaston as well that day. My hairdresser and her friend were accosted by a Forest fan [verbally]….like, two women walking to a match together; how brave is that! Whatever happened to the beautiful game..whatever happened to people in general! Sometimes I like to put on the rose coloured spectacles for protection.
I really wasn’t impressed by the film.
Though Sheen was excellent, there were a few times when some of his mannerisms reminded me of his role in Frost/Nixon… he’s still very good though.
The Clough/Taylor relationship just didn’t really convince me. I know it’s hard saying that given that I only know what I’ve seen on tv and read etc and I’ve no intimate knowledge of the pair, but the exaggerated homoerotic touches I thought were rather comedic.
One final moan. The scene when Clough is being questioned at Leeds, by the players, about his signings of O’Hare and someone else. Giles is questioning Clough about the necessity of the transfers. Clough is standing with his back to the stadium. In the background is the impressive cantilever stand …
.. which was built 20 years after Clough left Leeds wasn’t it?
And as for “Judas” Allardyce, Pete…I could get propEH norty about that fa…
Careful Max…remember Karma….my friend…Karma
Strangely, although I love everything about Brian Clough (even him liking a bung) don’t worry Corm you can’t liable a dead man I can’t bring myself to watch the film and prefer to remember him by watching old clips on You-Tube.
Here’s him talking about Posh & Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7W3jjdybYSorry team, enjoyed a beer or two on Wednesday. Post is a bit harsh and a reason I keep the football discussion to a minimum on here, though I’m a regular in Madworld.
Except for Allardyce
, Pete. Think Le Tissier. He’s hated here. Things got so bad, he came down to do a PR exercise at the Supporters Club to explain his side of the story and, to be fair, did a good job by all accounts. Trouble is, hardly anyone turned up.
Clough? Grudging respect and, filtering the emotions out from it, the best manager this country has ever seen.
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