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Lord Manton has colours, it is just a question of whether they’re the same ones.
The Watson Manton’s used to live at Sancton Hall, East Yorkshire when I was a member of the Pony Club. This was in the 1970s, he was the Chairman of the local Conservative association too. I am sure they will be easy to contact.
I’ve almost got me man.
Kentuckiana Digital Library > drf > Daily Racing Form: n. Sunday …
You have found an item located in the Kentuckiana Digital Library. ….. Derby under the pale blue silks of Richard Croker in 1907 Jack Atkin To Be Retired. …
kdl.kyvl.org/static/drf/…/drf1910s_KUK-drf1910102301.html – CachedWas trying to access the actual article last night, but my PC kept freezing, so I gave up. Same this afternoon. I’ll try another time in Internet Explorer instead of Firefox.
Now that we roughly know what the colours were like (assuming similar in Britain & Ireland to America) we can proceed with the screenplay that will make us millionaires.
It does seem rather coincidental, doesn’t it, that Croker’s colours were pale blue, and at some time he bought Ballymacoll Stud, and Ballymacoll Stud’s current colours are pale blue.
It seems a reasonable hypothesis that he transferred his colours to the stud, and that successive owners of the stud have either used the same colours, or a variant upon.
Paget was also an owner of the stud, and her colours were blue as well, though don’t know yet which shade.
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Dorothy Paget’s colours were blue, with a yellow hoop on body and sleeves, yellow cap with a blue hoop. Last edited by Venusian on Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:04 pm …
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … 74670.html – Cachededit: Paget didn’t buy the stud until 1946, so the blue silks are just a coincidence (re Croker).
Hi Gerald , following your lead I’ve been googling again – can’t touch you for it in the festive season apparently !!
if you google the long-winded …..
richard croker blue racing colours orby you get a mention of blue gold tassel ??
then googled richard croker gold tassel and got
Yale Blue Gold tassel
Yale Blue is a dark blue associated with the University.
Gerald , have seen one of your other topics , Colours , so this may make sense to you ..
Hexadecimal 0F4D92. from Wikipedia so must be right !
quite what Yale Blue gold tassel look like though not sure – braid on the body or just a tassel on the cap ?
Millionaires – like that idea a lot.
Is there any mention of those colours in Britain or Ireland? Only had a very quick glance, but they may just be his American colors.
At least I’ve got something to do if racing is frosted off . . .
Ha, ha, maybe he was stingy buying new silks, and the colour faded from dark blue to pale blue with age!
from what little I’ve learnt about him I imagine if they’d started to fade he’d have put the squeeze on the supplier to get a new set – don’t think he was a decent chap , probably why he appeared over this side of the Atlantic for a while until we gave him the elbow as well.
You’ve probably come across this yesterday. They were his colours here as well:-
http://archives.tcm.ie/laoisnationalist … y21762.asp
Test: This is Yale blue.[/color:29sp8tuv]
Case closed. On to the next one.
Try contacting Tom Taaffe, Kicking King’s trainer as his father rode Quare Times – Pat of Arkle and Prince Regent fame, and his grandfather trained Mr What.
Might be a bit dodgy asking Taaffe about Quare Times, if he can’t recall Gay Trip’s colours correctly:-
Taaffe recalled this week that one of his earliest memories was watching his father win the race on Gay Trip. Nearly 40 years later the colours – "white, with bits of red and green" – remain vivid.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 … snameshave
Blue, not green.
Just got Mr What very easily.
http://www.greyhoundderby.com/Mr%20What.htm
The dark colour is portrayed as a slightly brownish red, and the light colour is yellow.
WT Jones, Airs And Graces, 1898
His colours in Australia were yellow and black diamonds. (Won the Melbourne Cup with Bravo.)
Getting very little info on Wallace Johnstone, but I’ve got his address!
‘the property of WALLACE JOHNSTONE, ESQ., 3 ST. JAMES’S STREET, PICCADILLY
Dawson was his private trainer, at Warren House, still, I think.
And that is about it.
Also he laid his own horse, Disraeli, at 2/1 for £1000 on the eve of the Derby!
On Quare Times, there is a white band high up, under the top colour. I think that the jersey becomes white again as it is being tucked into the trousers. Between the two white bands, I think there are two more coloured bands, but neither is the same as the top band.
I think that the above is tosh, driven mainly by only seeing fleeting, moving glimpses. I got the impression there was another white band, and then tried to interpose another band to make sense of it.
I now think that I couldn’t see where the jersey ended and the britches started, with the high waistband style of the first half of the last century.
As can be seen from this photo, there is only one colour for the bottom part of the torso.
http://www.geraldsegasby.co.uk/index.ph … e&pID=7471
If Isinglass’s colours are correct then I’d have thought the shoulders are red, and the rest blue; I used to write quite a bit in red, and it always photocopies very dark.
edit: Now that you’ve got Orby’s, you can now claim Isinglass to have the colours of all the Derby winners.
Although Wilma Franklyn was listed as the principal owner, the horse was intended to run in the colors of Gemini Farms. It was also intended for the Gemini colors to be Gold, but whether that is what they are officially described as is another matter.
The facts now seem to be that originally the Patty Cake Syndicate included the doctor, Al Yank and good old J. Brandle Berry-Bush Esq., who may be the only dog to own a horse. But the makeup of the partnership has changed since then. During the Newmarket bidding the major competition for Vaguely Noble came from Nelson Bunker Hunt of Dallas, son of H. L. Hunt and a fellow who is superrich even by Texas standards. Bunker Hunt went along with Yank’s bids, guinea for guinea, until he finally dropped out at 135,000 guineas ($340,200). Anyway, after thinking it over later, Hunt decided that he really had misjudged Vaguely Noble and that the horse was worth every penny of the price, probably even more.
In January, Hunt became a member of the Patty Cake Syndicate by buying one-half interest in Vaguely Noble. But the horse will race under the Gemini Farms colors.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ … /index.htm
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ … /index.htm
In the past six months Dr. Franklyn has acquired ownership or an interest in around $1.5 million worth of racehorses. Before that he owned no horses at all. Not one. His string includes the magnificent, British-bred 3-year-old, Vaguely Noble, which cost the doctor $342,720—paid with a common, everyday household check drawn on his personal account. Never before has so much money been paid at auction for a single horse in training, and Vaguely Noble probably would not even have been up for auction in December at Tattersall’s Newmarket Sales if the family of the late owner had not needed cash for death duties on the estate. The London Daily Mirror called the purchase "a fantastic record," and the Daily Express came up with a near-perfect headline: HOLLYWOOD MAN GETS WORLD’S COSTLIEST RACEHORSE…IT’S DR. BEAUTY’S BEAST.
Around California tracks, some people call Dr. Franklyn "The Mystery Physician," a few wonder if he exists at all and many of the best-informed racing officials say that about all they know of him is what they read in the papers. Of course, since most people around racetracks (excluding the stars) don’t go in much for breast-expansion or nose-barbering or even dimple-building, a specialist with Dr. Franklyn’s talents would not come up during the course of an ordinary conversation in the daily-double window queue. Dr. Franklyn is a man who marches to quite a different trumpet than daily-double bettors. He is ambitious, self-confident and imaginative beyond the capacity of most run-of-the-mill mortals. He has an ingratiating zest and a genuinely refreshing and almost existential what-the-hell-do-I-have-to-lose insouciance about his entry into the expensive and complex world of racing horses.
"I wouldn’t say I’m the Great White Hope for racing," says the doctor. "I’m not that egocentric. But I think we’ll give everyone something to remember, and we’ll have some fun doing it." Right. The color he wants for his Gemini Farms is gold. That’s all, just gold. His horses will race on gold horseshoes ."Not solid gold," says Franklyn. "They would turn to nuggets and dust in half a furlong. We’ll just put on a coating of gold. Why not? No one ever asked people if they really preferred aluminum-colored shoes, right? Well, we prefer gold."
Thanks to everybody for their fascinating research – I think i can conclude then that Vaguely Noble did run in all gold when winning the Arc.
Just found an interesting picture of Puissant Chef
http://www.life.com/image/3431277
but of course its in black and white, unless anybody is na expert in shades of b/w and wehat colour they represent! Cant find a video of Sagaro’s 1975 Gold Cup in which Le Bavard was second (same owner as Puissant Chef) – managed to find the Sporting life card for that day but would you believe the bbc WERE ON STRIKE AND THE lIFE DIDN’T PRINT THE COLOURS FOR THAT DAY!!!!
Still hunting for Kashmir (2000 gns) and also Glencaraig Lady winning Gold Cup in 1972 – know its Red and Blue but cant make out the patterns.
I went to school in Dover, and had a deliberate policy of not bothering to learn French.
Is this Henri Aubert also the owner of Kauto Relka, the dam of Kauto Star, that died this year? I sort of gain the impression that the progeny ran in Mme Aubert’s couleurs.
I think if we had Zarkava on the case, he would resolve this one in 5 minutes.
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