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Still searching for those missing National winners.
did discover on e-bay cigarette cards of national winners in the 1950’s – apparently on the back was the "trade name" Seagram as well as Imperial Publishing. Items for sale numbered 8 or 9 I think but as you can guess , the missing ones were Mr What and Quare Times – must be out there somewhere though.
this is what I’m left looking for :-
Oaks 1897 Limasol 2nd Baron Hindlip
2000 1898 Disraeli Wallace Johnstone
Oaks 1898 Airs and Graces W. T. Jones
Derby 1907 Orby Richard Croker
Oaks 1909 Perola William Cooper
Oaks 1921 Love inIdleness Joseph Watson
1000 1929 Taj Mah Simon Guthmann
1000 1940 Godiva 2nd Viscount Rothermere
Oaks 1947 Imprudence Mrs Pierre Corbiere
2000 1952 Thunderhead II Eugène Constant
2000 1966 Kashmir II P. Butlerthanks again to all who’ve taken the time to help.
further to my last posting – on e-bay there is one of the cards for Caughoo if you want to splash out £3.89 + £0.78 p&p.
Buy Now price so no bidding war to get into.
Colours look like pale blue white slvs & cap but it’s a bit hazy.
many thanks for all your help – have acquired a set of National Cards – still a bit difficult to glean the colours for some though… if anyone else is interested I can post what I think I have found my missing colours to be…
inthe meantime, a success!!!! Imprudence, winner of the 1000 gns and Oaks in 1947 – Mrs P Corbieres’s colours were:
Yellow, white hoop, black cap
courtesy of a very helpful curator at the National Horseracing Museum!!!
will keep hunting…
one more success (I think) – I have Thunderhead colours (Eugene Constant) to be
White, green hoops, white slvs, yellow cap
although I cant find my original source
will try and reconfirm later
This is supposedly Caughoo’s GN here
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=52339
When he is unsaddling, it becomes clear that the body is vertical halves.
Royal blue, white and green would become the racing colors for Jack McDonnell
From the card that Isinglass(?) mentions, it is blue on the front left, and right back, and green on the right front and left back.
On Quare Times, there is a white band high up, under the top colour. I think that the jersey becomes white again as it is being tucked into the trousers. Between the two white bands, I think there are two more coloured bands, but neither is the same as the top band.
Re: Quare Times I think I saw a colour image & the colours are green with a white band.
In the Daily Racing Form for 4 June 1921, it says the owner of Love In Idleness is James Watson, not Joseph Watson.
LONDON England June 3 The Oaks was run
today at Epsom Downs and was won by the favorite James Watson’s Love in Idleness with Mrs
Nugent’s Lady Sleipner second and Lord Aster’s
Long Suit third. The King’s filly Picardy was
fifth. There was a great concourse out to see the
race. The Derby road scenes and traffic regulations
were repeated. The going was hard, though the
race was run in a heavy rain-There was a James Cooper Watson who was trainer in Chantilly to Rothschild. Would a trainer in France own horses in Britain? I’m a bit confused, because there is also a mention of Jean-Claude Watson being Rothschild’s trainer, but I think James Cooper Watson and Jean-Claude Watson might be the same person, but don’t know whether James Cooper Watson is the same person as James Watson.
Joseph Watson was a railway director.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … 8389639EDE
Maybe his colours were the same as GWR, or LNER.
If it helps, Watson was raised to the peerage as the first Baron Manton, and he owned the Manton stables.
It was the London and North-Western Railway that he was a director of.
New York Times:-
BARON MANTON IS KILLED.; Thrown From Horse on Fox Hunt Near Stratford-on-Avon.
March 14, 1922, Tuesday
Page 2, 79 words
LONDON, March 13.–Baron Manton of Compton Verney was thrown from his horse and killed today while fox hunting near Stratford-on-Avon.
Hello Gerald & Crepello , nice to see you back here and thanks for the input again.
re Caughoo , when "googling" Caughoo colours I too found mention of royal blue green & white being the colours of the owner. Agree with Gerald that the Pathe footage in the unsaddling enclosure makes it look like blue & green vertically halved white slvs & cap
I de B – thanks very much for you latest searches.
As advised a while ago , am going to write to current Viscount Rothermere , Baron Hindlip & will try current Lord Manton. Will either succeed or maybe end up in the Tower. Am checking Debrett’s for correct etiquette.
Regards
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