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another QM query. Hilly Way. I have the 1980 renewal on tape which he ran in an appeared to carry light blue, black hooped body and slvs, light blue cap. However I already had a set of colours for him as royal blue, white slvs, pink cap. Is that a conmplete red herring or did he change ownership?
Thanks in advance as always
Colours for 2012 2000 Guineas and Derby nominations.
Colours for 2012 2000 Guineas and Derby nominations.
Great find Slew – it always bugs me that the Racing Post only display colours at the 5 day stages. I wish they would put them in for their "Big Race Entries" section of the "Cards" tab. Interesting to see the Andrew Tinkler colours represented by a Warren Place inmate.
Seeing the famous Earl I Mack colours reminded me of a question I wanted to ask. Given that the colour/desgin choice is so limited in the UK, is there anything to stop a British owner registering their silks in a US state in order to take advantage of the greater choice in design over there? Or do you actually have to have a horse in training there to register silks?
Letters and number designs are out in the UK. For example, Paul Mellon who raced the great Mill Reef had one set of colours in the UK (black, gold cross and stripe on cap) and his Rokeby Stable colours in the US (dark grey, yellow braids, sleeves and cap). Earle Mack’s colours of maroon, yellow rising sun are ever so slightly different in his home country (burgundy, yellow rising sun). As to the question of going to the US to register a different set of silks I couldn’t see why not. Funky colours in the US like electric blue, hot teal, flamingo pink are out in the UK. Sad really.
Re. Hilly Way. I read recently, courtesy of the excellent Grand National Anorak website, that Hilly Way was eventually bought by Pat O’Connor and ran in a couple of Tophams in the early 80s. That was 82 and 83 though, and while Pat’s colours were light blue with a black cap, I don’t know if he’d got him for the 1980 QM Champion Chase (which I haven’t seen). My instinct says not but I have no proof.
So, not very helpful, but maybe interesting!
On edit – it looks like Hilly Way was still trained by Peter McCreery when he ran in 1980 but no mention of the owner. Incidentally, he did also run in the QM Chase when under Pat O’Connor in 1982.
Re. Hilly Way. I read recently, courtesy of the excellent Grand National Anorak website, that Hilly Way was eventually bought by Pat O’Connor and ran in a couple of Tophams in the early 80s. That was 82 and 83 though, and while Pat’s colours were light blue with a black cap, I don’t know if he’d got him for the 1980 QM Champion Chase (which I haven’t seen). My instinct says not but I have no proof.
So, not very helpful, but maybe interesting!
On edit – it looks like Hilly Way was still trained by Peter McCreery when he ran in 1980 but no mention of the owner. Incidentally, he did also run in the QM Chase when under Pat O’Connor in 1982.
Thanks OA. Yes, unfortunately he was in different ownership at the time of his two QMs – Mr J Sweeney. So will just have to wait to see if a 1978 or 1979 QM racecard pops up on ebay!
Couple more dredged up from the internet.
Belmont Stakes
1928 VITO Alfred H Cosden blue white sash & slvs red shoulder braces & cap
Irish 1000
1975 MIRALLA Lady Lister Kaye cerise black hoop on body
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I.One More for Washington DC International:
1955 El Chama (Carlos V. Rincones): BLUE, WHITE CROSS SASHES, BLUE AND WHITE CAPHi Ivanjica / Isinglass
don’t want to appear pedantic but my records for 1983 St James Palace winner Horage – A Rachid – have STARS (plural) on cap? Minor I know, but we all aim to be perfectionists don’t we!!
Haven’t been on for a while, but still have a few gaps in Royal Ascot history if anyone is bored!!
1947 Ascot Gold Cup – Souverain – Mr F.-R. Schmitt
1960 Coronation Stakes – Barbaresque – W. H. Guest
1951 Coventry – King’s Bench – Mr A. Thompsett
1984 Queen Alexandra – Erins Invader – H McCaffrey (also trainer)
1983 " – Sandalay – G M Sumner
1966 Queen Anne – Tesco Boy – J.E.Cohen
1971 Ribblesdale – Fleet Wahine – R. Ohrstrom
1973 " – Miss Petard – P.Williams
1958 Hunt Cup – Amos – L Carver
1954 " – Chivalry – Mr P. HatvanyHere’s a few :–
1947 Ascot Gold Cup Souverain – Mr F.-R. Schmitt white dark blue star on body dark blue cap
1966 Queen Anne Tesco Boy – J.E.Cohen royal blue gold circle on body white slvs & hoop on blue cap
1958 Hunt Cup Amos – L Carver ( Mrs Leonard Carver ?? ) green white hoop & armlets
1954 Hunt Cup Chivalry – Mr P. Hatvany brown green stripes on body
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Another one :-
1971 Ribblesdale Fleet Wahine R Ohrstrom light blue black stripes on body black cap
Horage 1982 Gimcrack race card – STAR on cap , not plural
here’s some more Irish , French and American I’ve dredged from the internet.
Irish St Leger 1958 ROYAL HIGHWAY Mrs W Macauley green & white check white slvs & cap green peak & button
French Derby 1885 RELUISANT Marquis de Bouthillier sky blue pink cap
French 1000 1889 MAY POLE Baron de Soubeyran white & gold but carried white red cap gold tassel ( of Duc de Castries )
French St Leger 1903 TARQUATO TASSO J de Soukozanette black blue cap
French Oaks 1906 FLYING STAR L Merino cerise & yellow stripes
French Derby 1967 ASTEC Baron Louis de la Rochette red & blue quartered blue slvs & cap
Belmont Stakes 1868 GENERAL DUKE McConnell & Harness orange & black
Belmont Stakes 1890 BURLINGTON Hough Brothers cherry & white stripes cherry sash
Belmont Stakes 1892 PATRON Lewis Stuart orange red slvs
Belmont Stakes 1938 PASTEURIZED Carol Harriman Plunkett Stewart blue orange hoops qtd cap
Preakness Stakes 1914 HOLIDAY Mrs Archibald Barklie gold green sash & cap
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I.Thanks (again) guys for all the help – the power of combined forces demonstrated once again.
Sorry about the Horage confusion – just checked the 1982 Coventry racecard and you are absolutely right – my mistake!!
FRENCH 2000 GUINEAS
2012 LUCAYAN (Ahmed Mouknass & Pandora Stud, LLC)
GREEN, YELLOW STAR and ARMLETS, GREEN CAP, YELLOW STARS
Verte une etoile et brass. jaunes t. verte etoiles jaunesFRENCH 1000 GUINEAS
2012 BEAUTY PARLOUR (Ecurie Wildenstein)
BLUE, LIGHT BLUE CAP
Bleue t. bleu-clairanother couple that were elusive :-
1983 Queen Alex……. Sandalay GM Sumner (Sting from the Police) yellow black striped slvs hooped cap
when he first started singing , wore a black & yellow striped jumper as a tribute to one of his musical heroes , who’s name I’ve forgotten , sorry – hence nickname Sting !
also , the last Arc winner that I struggled to find ..
1929 Arc Ortello black white seams black cap
google —- italian bred champions forum ortello
community.tvg site is interesting to look through
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