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1. 1932 APRIL THE FIFTH (owner Tom Walls)
Black and pink hoops, pink sleeves and cap, black tassel (Ruffs)2. 1945 DANTE (owner Sir Eric Ohlson)
White, blue striped sleeves and hoop on cap (Ruffs)2000 GUINEAS
1. 1953 NEARULA (owner William Humble)
Light blue, two dark blue hoops, gold cap (Ruffs guide)2. 1961 ROCKAVON (owner Tommy Yuill)
Blue, black birds-eye sleeves, white cap3. 1966 KASHMIR II (owner P. Butler)
red white and light blue check, light blue cap (see previous threads) (B&H book)4. 1969 RIGHT TACK (owner J.R. Brown)
Turquoise, black "v" (chevron), yellow sleeves, black cuffs,black and yellow qtd cap (B&H book – as per Roman Warrior much later!!!)Thanks for the Belmont and Preakness Slewman – a brilliant effort.
To the rest of the guys, I didn’t have the Black birds eye for Rockavon’s (1961 Guineas – is the source the Ruffs Guide?) sleeves.
To quote Isinglass on 9th December last on this thread:
2000 / 1961 / Rockavon royal blue black slvs with white birds eye white cap
Do you have something different Ivanjica?
Hi folks , I got Tommy Yuill’s colours from an old 60’s York racecard. Have a pretty grainy photo that tends to back up the birds eye aspect of the colours.
Great to get all that American information – not computer literate but the following may lead to an old publication of American owners colours from way back
http://www.archive.org/details/americanracingco00mill
if it doesn’t . apologies , try googling a book by Thomas K Miller and look for a link to a free Internet Archive – once in , browse for other old racing publications as wellCheers
I.Hi there IDB, no I had the colours except the birds eye, must have forgotten to make a note of that detail.
That american colours book is great.
On that same site I noticed an old steeplchase book that also has old colours on pages xxiii tp xxiv – http://www.archive.org/details/steeplechasecale00lond.
on a technical point, Would K Abdullah French coulours be epaulettes and not a sash?
And leading on from that, did Commander in Chief and Workforce not carry a green hat in the Epsom derby.
Thanks for your point cacique. Obviously Andre Fabre and Criquette Head-Maarek’s horses run for Khalid Abdullah in the green with pink epaulettes and his UK and US horses run in the green with pink sash. Workforce did indeed carry a green cap as did Commander IC to distinguish from their other runner. Cheers
Thanks for your point cacique. Obviously Andre Fabre and Criquette Head-Maarek’s horses run for Khalid Abdullah in the green with pink epaulettes and his UK and US horses run in the green with pink sash. Workforce did indeed carry a green cap as did Commander IC to distinguish from their other runner. Cheers
I’m being ultra-pedantic here, but I reckon Mick Kinane wore a white cap on Commander in Chief in the 1993 Epsom Derby.
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I’m being ultra-pedantic here, but I reckon Mick Kinane wore a white cap on Commander in Chief in the 1993 Epsom Derby.Quite right – Commander in Chief (or more precisely Mick Kinane) did wear a white cap because Tenby (Pat Eddery) was favourite and wore the pink
Workforce carried a green cap because Bullet Train (Tom Queally) had the first colours (although peversely was marginally less fancied – 13/2 against 6/1)
Incidentally, when Quest for Fame won (in the pink cap!), Guy Harwood trained both Aromatic and Digression who had green and white colours at odds of 100/1 and 14/1 respectively.
According to the racing calendar supplement, GREEN is the official cap of the second colours, and has been since at least 2008, but some time since 1993 (Tenby)!
It’s not pedantic , good to think people take such an interest.
The subject of "second" colours has me stumped regarding winners from way back. In the 30’s 40’s and 50’s the Aga Khan won plenty of classics but quite a few were with the 2nd or 3rd string and have no idea what distinguishing cap was worn although……..
have seen a painting of Mahmoud being saddled at Epsom in 1936 ( think it was actually on a stamp ) and it’s a green cap , not the usual chocolate one – also have a picture of Firdaussi ( 32 Leger ) with Freddie Fox in a pale cap ( white / yellow , who knows ??)
1919 Derby won by Grand Parade , jockey wore a distinguishing cap to avoid confusion with better fancied stable mate – what colour ??
maybe am being pedantic after all !
I.We love pedantic!!!
The history of the Aga Khan’s colours is fascinating, and I too have never really understood them.
As a generality, I have always thought:
– prior to 1957, the Aga Khan (3rd) had the green and chocolate hoops
– since then (4th) – Green red epaulettes
but this is not true, as the hoops were still the main colours well in to the 60s so when did the epaulettes come in?
it is further confused by Prince Aly Khan (son of 3rd but missed out on inheritance in favour of his son and who died in 1960) – Green , red sash
But of course this doesn’t fit with Isinglass’ observations. I do know that in Ruffs guide of 1925 (and again in 1948) – the hoops were the main colours and the second cols were the hoops but with a green cap.
One possibilty, the Begum Aga Khan (wife of) had cols registered in the 60s as Green, chocolate collar and cuffs, lavender cap.
Currently, second cols are listed as Green red sash, and the chocolate hoops as 3rd cols, although Kayhasi wore the hoops when winning the Derby (Doyoun carried the 1st cols) so again they must have changed in recent years.
Pedantic? no, confused!
Another point,
did alamshar wear the choclate hoops when winning the King George. (don’t know who wore the first colours)
And you had Rail Link wearing the correct French Abdullah colours in the Arc.
I must be going senile as all your comments were on the money. Commander In Chief did wear a white cap. As to the Aga Khan, the current Aga colours of green, red epaulettes I suppose could have been a twist on his father’s green, red sash, green cap colours. I know one of his horses who won the Prix du Cadran at Longchamp a few years ago wore his grandfather’s green and chocolate hoops. He also won the 1999 Ascot gold cup in the green and choclate with Enzeli. I’m pretty sure he recognises those as his second set of silks. I have a jpeg of a meeting in the 30’s where the old Aga Khan had up to five horses in a race.
I think the Aga Khan’s registered 2nd cols and those used in practice are two different things! There was a race in Ireland recently
http://www.gg.com/racing/view.php/1952/ … 15658.html
where several variations of cap were used for his four runners, but no chocolate hoops in sight!
Speaking of second colours, does anyone know how many owners changed their colours,
I know Mrs J magnier changed from yellow black star, to all dark blue, (and then has second colours all pink)
And then when Duchess of westmisters husband died she put a black band on her colours
but after that I’d be curious
Regarding changing of colours, the most recent that I can remember was Sheikh Marwan Al Maktoum, who switched from the old "white, light blue chevron, striped cap" (Crimplene)to the current "red white epaulettes, halved slvs" but not sure exactly when.
I’m sure there must be plenty of others?
On a separate issue, does anybody have 1985 RSA chase racecard – or know the colours carried by Antarctic Bay (winner) owned by "P Meade" and trained in Ireland by Pat Hughes?
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