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November 11, 2010 at 09:16 #327471
Much as it pains me to say it I have to agree with Big Mac when he says that it should be a six month ban. It keeps happening and no doubt will occur again until an automatic six month ban makes them think twice before easing up. As usual it’s the punter who pays the price.
November 11, 2010 at 10:17 #327474I also think the jockey made a genuine mistake but wonder why.
Was it because he thought he had passed the winning post?
Did he want to save the horse further exertion?
Had he been instructed to try and win but not by too many lengths?
If the latter was the reason – blame the handicap system!
Poor lad. I imagine he has had a rotten time since the race. We all need to remember our mistakes. He is very inexperienced. Perhaps the lesson punters could learn from this is to avoid betting on apprentice/conditional races and 7lb claimers.November 11, 2010 at 10:21 #327475Mid-division, 7th and headway 3f out, 4th early straight, led 1f out, stayed on well under pressure,
eased near finish, just held on
GO NATIVE, runner-up at Cork five days previously following a long break, came out on top here and although he was sent off a 16-1 shot, trainer Noel Meade afterwards described the winner as "probably my best bumper horse and probably good enough to win races on the Flat."
Held up, the winner closed from over four furlongs out and began his effort on the inside early in the straight. He hit the front just over a furlong out and kept on well before his rider eased him in the last few strides.
The jockey in question?
November 11, 2010 at 11:34 #327493This is the most likely explanation in my view but these sort of errors should be punished with a lengthy ban, 28 days is totally inadequate, should be a minimum of 3 months.
In other words finishing his career before it has really started?
Obvious to me that on a couple of previous occasions he’s been told off for winning by too much.I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysNovember 11, 2010 at 16:47 #327539I backed the horse and was wondering if Ladbrokes would refund me my bet or even pay me out? Where do i stand as the jockey got banned for 28 days so it shows that he did something wrong! Is it worth an email to ladbrokes?
Post of the year!!!
Mike
November 18, 2010 at 22:41 #328568I don’t know if anyone gets the Weekender but in Nicky Henderson’s column today there was a mini headline about Chris Timmons who I guess works for NH "No excuse for young Timmons clanger at Bangor" He also said "He was very lucky he wasn’t on one of mine I can promise you that" "I did have one who was almost caught at Exeter & I was less than impressed but the pilot no longer rides so I won’t embarrass him here"
He won’t embarrass a chap who doesn’t ride anymore but he will embarrass a lad who’s just starting out on his career!
I thought that was pretty bad form. A private rollicking most certainly, as I’ve said before I saw the state of the lad at first hand & it made racing headlines the next day, but surely a week later it should not have been brought up again, that’s my opinion anyway.November 18, 2010 at 22:57 #328569AnonymousInactive- Total Posts 17716
I thought Jim Whitehead made some ‘interesting’ comments on RUK yesterday.
The gist was that Jeanry has never worked over more than 4.5 furlongs and that, if his reins are dropped, he assumes it’s time to stop running. He also expressed his displeasure at the criticism Chris Timmons received from one ‘lady’ in particular because "he’s a great lad with a good clock in his head".
Are his remarks legitimate or is he simply trying to lessen the burden on Timmons’s shoulders? In any case, is a 28-day ban appropriate for a jockey who will likely miss just a handful of rides?
November 18, 2010 at 23:11 #328571What amused me about the whole incident was Nick Luck wittering on about in-running players in corporate boxes with high speed internet lines and a 3-second advantage (Channel4 racing the following Saturday). There are, to my knowledge, no in-running players in boxes at Bangor as they lack electricity, let alone broadband. The bulk of the £55k matched at 1.01 was done by one unfortunate chap in a betting exchange in North London.
November 19, 2010 at 00:24 #328579QC, Timmons is based with Alan King.
November 19, 2010 at 00:39 #328582"28 days" is not the only punishment Timmons recieves from this. His career will be hurt, losing rides he’d otherwise get.
What I am concerned about is a possible solution.
Jockeys ease their mounts because of a perception by (trainers and owners) that their horse will recieve a smaller increase in its mark – than if ridden out to the line.
I don’t agree with this perception, the handicapper judges how much to put a horse up pretty well.
However, it is the "perception" that is hurting racing.
I see no reason why the handicapper should not think: The jockey is deliberately making my job harder and even more guesswork than it would normally be. Therefore, I am going to put the horse up by 7lb more than I believe the actual performance meritted.This way connections of any horse will soon get to know that it is in their best interests for a winner to be ridden out to the line. No matter how far it wins by.
Alternatively, have a rule that if a runner is "in the money" it has to be pushed ou to the line.
Value Is EverythingNovember 19, 2010 at 01:02 #328586However, it is the "perception" that is hurting racing.
I see no reason why the handicapper should not think: The jockey is deliberately making my job harder and even more guesswork than it would normally be. Therefore, I am going to put the horse up by 7lb more than I believe the actual performance meritted.This way connections of any horse will soon get to know that it is in their best interests for a winner to be ridden out to the line. No matter how far it wins by.
Alternatively, have a rule that if a runner is "in the money" it has to be pushed ou to the line.
The system and prize money has to change for the perception to change.
Until then, 12 month bans for anyone who does it for any place that affects prize money. Owners supposedly lose out, so let’s forget about the betting element and ensure every jockey tries for every position that matters.
James Doyle was cautioned by the stewards for using his whip when he was deemed to have "won" a Southwell race on Monday. He pushed the horse out, everything was seen etc.
Maybe we could have a system where a jockey has to put the whip down 1/2 a furlong out so we can see the vigorous (and not so) efforts in full?
November 19, 2010 at 09:04 #328593The bulk of the £55k matched at 1.01 was done by one unfortunate chap in a betting exchange in North London.
Bad luck Mounty.
Still, you can afford it and there’s always tomorrow.
Mike
November 19, 2010 at 10:48 #328598Timmons is based with Alan King.
Interesting that another King conditional Peter Hatton was showboating up the straight on Perception at Wincanton yesterday and got beat. Conditionals such as these two have neither the experience or ability to be doing such things and it should be stamped out as soon as possible.
November 19, 2010 at 16:20 #328656I didn’t realise he wasn’t attached to NH. From the tone of the article I assumed he was. That makes it even worse imo. A week after the event, the lad has nothing to do with his stable, he deliberately doesn’t mention the name of the ex jockey who did the same thing so as not embarrass him, but he doesn’t mind embarrassing the young lad, who believe me was ashen after it had happened.
Another quote from the NH article "I confess I haven’t seen the incident when he dropped his hands on a sure fire winner only to be caught close home"
Short of column inches I reckon & to be honest his column isn’t a patch on Paul Nicholl’s, a poor replacement.
I didn’t see the owner/trainer interview on RUK but it seems that he was sympathetic to the lad & pointed out the horses ‘habit’. It also seems he was not best pleased at the way he was being pilloried by certain sections of the media.
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