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That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
That is rather harsh don’t you think? Today was a bad day for Kauto but no excuses can be made. However there is no need to attack him in general is there? Especially right after a race where he fell – poor show.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
The horse ran 2 stone below his best and your idea of taking the front two out to prove he wasn’t as good as we thought is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read on here. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Easy, Fist, easy. I know you have a lot of affection for the horse, but calm down.
I made the point in another thread about KS running to form today with ED on a left-handed track if he didn’t unseat. Shabby, to a certain degree was correct that it was irrelevant given the proximity of Snoopy Loopy and Tamarinbleu.
The question to ask is, despite encouraging performances from KS and particularly ED on their seasonal debuts, why did they both run below their best?
It’s no coincidence that in a slowly run race where a high class two miler was given an easy lead, the two hold-up horses, KS and ED, both ran way below their best and the first three home were only seperated by three lengths in a six runner race.
Kauto’s not overrated and I agree with you that to suggest such is nonsense, but it was a funny old race today and I wouldn’t take it on face value.
He’ll be back at Kempton and if he wins the Boxing Day showpiece for a third time we’ll all be raving about him again. After two fairly disappointing efforts before the KG last season, the same questions were being asked and look what happened.
Only Tidal Bay can stop him at Kempton, but he’ll have to be everything I think he is to beat Kauto.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
That is rather harsh don’t you think? Today was a bad day for Kauto but no excuses can be made. However there is no need to attack him in general is there? Especially right after a race where he fell – poor show.
Well thats 3 bad days out of the last four then albeit confirming historical form with ED and all going left handed. As I’ve stated several times before Kauto Star is not as good going this way round and his record would seem to back that up.
Whats him falling got to do with anything ? Is it not allowed to give an opinion on what I think about the horse ? It seems those who have put him on so high a pedestal cannot come to terms with the fact that maybe their star is not so super.
Easy, Fist, easy. I know you have a lot of affection for the horse, but calm down.
I made the point in another thread about KS running to form today with ED on a left-handed track if he didn’t unseat. Shabby, to a certain degree was correct that it was irrelevant given the proximity of Snoopy Loopy and Tamarinbleu.
The question to ask is, despite encouraging performances from KS and particularly ED on their seasonal debuts, why did they both run below their best?
It’s no convenience that in a slowly run race where a high class two miler was given an easy lead, the two hold-up horses, KS and ED, both ran way below their best and the first three home were only seperated by three lengths in a six runner race.
Kauto’s not overrated and I agree with you that to suggest such is nonsense, but it was a funny old race today and I wouldn’t take it on face value.
He’ll be back at Kempton and if he wins the Boxing Day showpiece for a third time we’ll all be raving about him again. After two fairly disappointing efforts before the KG last season, the same questions were being asked and look what happened.
Only Tidal Bay can stop him at Kempton, but he’ll have to be everything I think he is to beat Kauto.
Bos i have read most of your comments today and every peace you have written makes sense and i totally agree with its interesting that a few people have made the same noises as they did last year and look what he come up with on the 26th of December i wouldn’t dare bet against him on that day but there is something special waiting in the wings i think in tidal bay, i think tidal will get within 5 lengths of kauto this year and then go on to finish ahead of kauto in the gold cup and second to denman. look forward to reading your posts mate.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
The horse ran 2 stone below his best and your idea of taking the front two out to prove he wasn’t as good as we thought is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read on here. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Thank you the font of all knowledge. If talking piles of crap were an art form your name would be Picasso. Sounds very much like pocket talk to me. Yet again for the third time in a row when they have raced against each other Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer run stones below form. I look forward to the excuses for both over the next few days.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
The horse ran 2 stone below his best and your idea of taking the front two out to prove he wasn’t as good as we thought is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read on here. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Thank you the font of all knowledge. If talking piles of crap were an art form your name would be Picasso. Sounds very much like pocket talk to me. Yet again for the third time in a row when they have raced against each other Kauto Star and Exotic Dancer run stones below form. I look forward to the excuses for both over the next few days.
When ruby is back your see how your ment to ride kauto and exotic there isn’t a excuse.
That performance doesn’t bode well for Kauto Star’s Festival chances – he was absolutely knackered when he came down.
It would appear that claims he was back to his best following his victory in Ireland were indeed premature.
Or maybe he was not quite as good as most thought in the first place. Take the front two out and and KS not unseating and we would have had a repeat of last year and all would have been well particulary as both KS & ED connections stated before hand that they were as good as ever, in fact did Clive Smith not say he seemed better than last year before the race ? I have no doubt on his day and with his conditions Kauto Star can be scintilating, however the best since Arkle plaudits heaped on him by some after his 2006 season are a tad too much for me.
That is rather harsh don’t you think? Today was a bad day for Kauto but no excuses can be made. However there is no need to attack him in general is there? Especially right after a race where he fell – poor show.
Whats him falling got to do with anything ? Is it not allowed to give an opinion on what I think about the horse ? It seems those who have put him on so high a pedestal cannot come to terms with the fact that maybe their star is not so super.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion – I’m sure some people on here value it.
Bos i have read most of your comments today and every peace you have written makes sense and i totally agree with its interesting that a few people have made the same noises as they did last year and look what he come up with on the 26th of December i wouldn’t dare bet against him on that day but there is something special waiting in the wings i think in tidal bay, i think tidal will get within 5 lengths of kauto this year and then go on to finish ahead of kauto in the gold cup and second to denman. look forward to reading your posts mate.
Thanks, SK
Tidal Bay is a scary talent and I’m anticipating a potential Master Minded / Tidal Bay clash in the Tingle Creek before Kempton.
It will be interesting to see what route they take with TB. If he runs well against the Nicholls pair it will be a tough call between the Queen Mother, Gold Cup and Ryanair.
He has the potential to beat both of them, but at this moment in time I think the King George could be his race.
Denman could go to Aintree after Cheltenham, so TB could end up facing all of the Big Three this season.
It will be fascinating to see just how good he is.
A favourite saying of mine is " If it can happen it will happen" and i have always thought Kauto star has got his own way of getting from one side of a fence to the other. Some of the mistakes this horse has made in big races and got away with, is a compliment to the "Engine" this fellow has.
Most other horses would have fallen or at least had the stuffing knocked out of them, but Kauto star carried on to win King Georges and a Gold Cup. It doesn"t get any better than that! Today the mistake he made at the 3rd last defineately took its toll, the wing he ploughed through was part of the fence itself and in my opinion i think it knocked the stuffing out of him for the 1st time, he looked like a horse that had been winded as he returned to the unsaddling enclosure. In a sad way he looked like a Heavyweight boxing champ who has had one fight too many! I hope i am wrong!Who knows if you are right or wrong but right now I am shell shocked……..did PN ease of him a bit too much with the KG and GC in mind? Wouldn’t be the first time he’s done that with a good horse.
Was he 100% in himself or like some others from the yard seem to e carying something that turns their best for upside down..PL for example.
I haven’t seen the race yet which is buggin the ass of me ”I’ll be back when I have and my brain has recovered from way to much booze last night
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I just don’t think Nicholls’s horses have been finishing their races – Kauto Star, Poquelin, Oslot and Font were all strongly fancied on Saturday and looked as though they hit brick walls.
Two winners late on yesterday may put a dent in that theory somewhat, but I’d still say that there would appear to be a little niggle with his string.
If you recall, Kauto Star had to fight hard to see off the challenge of Exotic Dancer in the same race twelve months ago.
I happen to think he would have won yesterday had he not unseated Sam Thomas at the last – but only just.
To suggest that he was not travelling well throughout the race is a nonsense. Maybe Thomas was perhaps overly confident and thought Kauto Star had a lot more left in the tank than he actually did – just as Ruby Walsh did in this year’s Gold Cup.
It was a setback for Nicholls’ team but he can still win the King George – at a track, where he, like Desert Orchid and Wayward Lad, is very much right at home.
As for winning another Gold Cup at Cheltenham – well, that will prove much more difficult.
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The only one prominent in the betting for the GC without a question mark now is Neptune Collonges IMO. I’m considering a bit of 9s.
And aaronizneez, I know you have this thing against Exotic Dancer but I can’t help but feel that the inevitable by-product of Kauto-bashing is fiddling the facts in order to suit. At his best, Kauto Star is (was?) a 180 horse, and to say he isn’t would require the pulling down of a an entire generation of chasers.
Was a racing i was planning on skipping. Mainly due to fact the two main contendors were to short for me to back.
But thanks to Kauto Star falling yesterday, as usual people have overeacted to it’s fall. It was clear KS had the race won just before taking a tumble.
So why on earth people have pushed it out to close to 6/1 on betfair is astonishing. But im more than happy to take 4/1+ on Kauto Star for gold cup.
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