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Definitely the post of a resonable person and another wonderful contribution to this thread.
Dont kid yourselves that Hurricane fly isn"t the best 2m hurdler around!
Go Native travelled like a dream at Leopardstown, but the Hurricane blew
him away with ease and he wouldn"t be entered for a Group 1 flat race
if connections didn"t think he could hold his own! I like the idea that he can stay that bit further than just 2m aswell, bodes well for when you need
to get up that hill, especially when you have Celestial Halo laying it down!
Oh those blinkered Binocular fans that just couldn"t see it! Yes a bit of 10/1 in July will do me! there is a bit of 7/1 around now mind! Looks big
when he goes off 4/7fav next march! Roll on the Hurricane season!FISTY,
Whats wrong with that contribution cleverdick? Is it because you perhaps
dont agree, so it confuses you and you get frustrated and you think the best thing to do would be to lay the horse!!!!!!!!!Hurricane Fly confuses me I was going to write something but have decided to go out instead
.What a contribution that was! I rest my case m"lud!
"Cleverdick" that’s what’s wrong with it!
Stop your shyte ffs you’re boring the tits of me.
i think maybe solwhit could improve again over the summer is a intresting outsider at the moment cant see him comming over for aintree even with his entry.could win a few races next year and come to cheltenham with a few wins under the belt and be a shorter price than now.
got 28/1 on this before todays win, is around 10s now
Can’t see Solwhit winning a Champion Hurdle. The Aintree hurdle turned out to be an unsatisfactory race in the end all the so called class horses disappointed one way or the other. Unless United has suddenly improved a heck of a lot the form isn’t going to count for a lot in terms of top class races and Solwhit would probably want further than two miles (even at Cheltenham), anyway.
United paid another compliment to Hurricane Fly today. She was destroyed by Quevega at Cheltenham who was two lengths behind Hurricane Fly at Auteuil last summer.
That race today is absolutely no guide to Hurrcane Fly’s Champion Hurdle chances.
With all respect IC you really are clutching at straws if you are trying to prove HF is some sort of wonder horse.
Quevega was a 50/1 shot in France and went along to fill the horse box. The fact Hurricane Fly got beat himself and could only finish 2 lengths in front of a horse who was clearly nowhere near as good as she is now is hardly boosting the horses form.
Quevega claim to fame at the time was winning an 8k hurdle race at Gowran Park and being totally stuffed when finishing miles behind Won in the Dark.
She’s a totally different horse now as she was then.
She’s a totally different horse now as she was then.
As is Hurricane Fly , Fists.
Seriously, if you are going to trash someone’s argument, at least try and look at the bigger picture before you do so. If the Mares race told us anything, it was that the 20f trip at Auteuil in the Alain Du Breil was more in Quevega’s favour than it was Hurricane Fly’s. It therefore makes HF’s performance all the more creditable, given his trip optimum trip is evidently 2m (regardless of pace, ground or track configuration).
As for Solwhit, I’ve backed him at 40 for next year’s Champion Hurdle, though I’m much sweeter on Hurricane Fly, it has to be said.
I thought of you immeditaley when it won today and wondered how he would have done in that race a while back when he was suprisingly withdrawn.
Thought he looked a real good horse today but 2m 4f is a worry. They might up sending him in the direction of the world hurdle if they think his form isn’t good enough to go CH direction. Might be a good time to lay him off?
I agree Hurricane Fly is a totally differnt horse since running in France way back then but it is coincidence both horses were in the same race.
You would be as well telling me Won in the Dark is the greatest horse on the planer the distance he beat her weeks before.
Hurricane Fly’s 1st real test will come at Puchestown if renweing rivalry with Go Native and then he’s got to step up and take on the big boys next year. Jumping backwards tells us very little other than he is a very good horse which we already know.
Anyway I’m on the hunt for the bastids who said I was a plonker when I said Don’t Push It needed 3 miles and said I was crazy when Jonjo said he might run him in the Hennessy. Guess which race Jonjo is sending him for next season
That race today is absolutely no guide to Hurrcane Fly’s Champion Hurdle chances.
With all respect IC you really are clutching at straws if you are trying to prove HF is some sort of wonder horse.
Quevega was a 50/1 shot in France and went along to fill the horse box. The fact Hurricane Fly got beat himself and could only finish 2 lengths in front of a horse who was clearly nowhere near as good as she is now is hardly boosting the horses form.
Quevega claim to fame at the time was winning an 8k hurdle race at Gowran Park and being totally stuffed when finishing miles behind Won in the Dark.
She’s a totally different horse now as she was then.
In fairness now Fist you are the same person who’s using Donnas Palm’s form as a stick to beat Hurricane Fly with. You can’t have it both ways.
Quevega did get beaten out the gate at Punchestown before her run in France but there were valid excuses for her disappointing run that day. She played up big time in the parade ring beforehand that day and she was in a lather by the time she got down to the start. It is also very possible that the ground was too quick for her that day. She drifted like a barge before the off and anyone who monitored the betting that day knew she wouldn’t be winning. She hardly travelled to France purely to keep HF company. Willie was well aware she was much better than that run at Punchestown and she proved it when finishing 3rd only beaten 4L, incidentally by a horse that had been beaten by Hurricane Fly the previous month.
Obviously she has improved bundles since Auteuil last summer but it is clear that Hurricane Fly is a different horse now as well. He went in to that race (French Triumph Hurdle if I’m not mistaken?) with only two hurdle runs under his belt. The first being a mickey mouse maiden hurdle at Punchestown and the other a win in a grade 3 hurdle at Auteuil.
United’s performance today further underlines the strength of Hurricane Fly’s form IMO. I personally think his form is rock solid even though I know you have reservations yourself over Go Native’s defeat at Leopardstown. I really think this horse is a potential superstar and I have a suspicion that Willie thinks the same. The entry he held in this years Champion Hurdle right up to the time that he was pulled out of Cheltenham was no accident.
He may not win a Champion Hurdle in the future, who knows? I take on board the legitamate concerns over the longevity of his sire’s progeny and of course there is always the susceptibility of top class thoroughbreds to injury. However, I am supremely confident that if HF turns up at Punchestown in a few weeks fully tuned up then he’ll bolt up whatever race he runs in.
Btw, nice to see Don’t Push It rewarding your loyalty today at a handsome price. I always thought the horse would get 3 miles no problem myself!
is willies plans rsa for five four three and MD for arkle??
Good question SK! He certainly appears to have an embarrasment of riches to take into next year.
The plan this year was always to aim Cooldine at the Sun Alliance. Where that left Fiveforthree I don’t know, but then it was clear from around November on that he wouldn’t jump a fence this season.
I’d say Mikael would have more than enough speed for an Arkle. He showed both at Naas and Punchestown that he has a turn of foot although both those races were in bottomless ground. Traditionally though, Arkle winners have always been horses who stay strongly – Forpadydeplasterer this year adding further support to that argument.
Fiveforthree’s pedigree suggests he’ll be at home over three miles (half brother to Celestial Gold) so naturally enough you’d assume that the Sun Alliance would be the long term target. He’ll be brought back in a bit earlier next year though because he went very backward last summer – explains why he was only having his second run of the season today. Hopefully we’ll be seing much more of him next year.
went in to ladbrokes and asked for 543 in the rsa and they offered me 25-1 is a huge price if the planis for that.
i just got a doubt about it due to Mikael has the abilty to stay 3miles and above but if i was willie i would be going arkle then maybe gold cup with him.
Mikael D’haguenet looks very mature for his years and there must be a chance WM will go for the RSA with him. He did win the race with Florida Pearl when he was the same age.
However he does have Cooldine already going Gold Cup path and I suppose he might decide he will stick to hurdles for another year and could even go the World Hurdle route.
I doubt if he wants a step back in trip but he does have lots of speed so the Arkle is another option I suppose. We seem to have a lot of good young hurdlers who could go that route and I think WM will avoid it as his horse is clearly one who stays further.
You don’t even have to pick up the form book with Mikael D’haguenet to see that he is destined for the top. I was a tad disspointed with him when he hit the hill in the Balmore as he never pulled away like I thought he would. I would put that down to the fact he got into a pocket and Ruby had to use his speed to get back out of it.
The horse like Ruby never flinched and showed a lot of maturity at that point of the race. Even the commentator thought he was in a bit of trouble but the minute Ruby got space again he quickened like a flash and shot clear. That was what really caught my eye and impressived me.
If I had Mikael D’haguenet I would send him after the World Hurdle.
I just feel it’s a bit early to go chasing Gold Cups as Denman and Kauto Star could still be around in 2 years but in 3 years time their time at the top is most likely to be near over.
Interesting you say that Mikael looks like a mature horse already Fists – to me (only off the TV mind) he looks like a huge frame with absolutely nothing else on him – lots of strengthening up to be done with him though I certainly agree he’s destined for the top – Kauto’s just babysitting the Gold Cup.
I was actually talking about his mental attitude and should have made that clearer. Some horses when they get into a pressure cituation like he did fold in a heap but it never bothered him one bit.
As you say it’s hard to judge a horse phisically on the box but he moves like a horse who will appreciate fences. Lovely and relaxed and can keep up with the pace without any apparant effort.
I like this horse a lot and he’ll do very well in whichever direction WM decides to send him.
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