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August 9, 2023 at 15:18 #1659233
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Sense of Duty @ 25/1
She was / is my number one hope of landing a top race at a decent price this season, unfortunately she has gone totally MIA for over a year and time is slowly running out. Not a great sign she has not been seen yet, so understandable she is that kind of price really.
From what i understand, she was being aimed at Haydock last year due to her preference for soft ground but had a little niggle beforehand and skipped the rest of the year.
A couple of entries just made lately must mean all is well now and hopefully we get to see her out again shortly for an Autumn campaign.
August 11, 2023 at 23:21 #1659446He’s been poor so far this year, but he’s never been that consistent anyway, so I’ve given Rohaan another try.
Ran well in it last year, so thought him worth a go
Rohaan 33’s EW
October 9, 2023 at 15:24 #1666102I think that there’s something wrong with Fresh, or the more sensible explanation is that there’s something wrong with me for keeping betting him. However, if he was still in contention next Monday, I just know that I’d bet him. He’s 100-1 for a reason I guess
A slightly more sensible shout for me would be Vadream at 25-1. I may have an ap bet, but I’d be wanting to check the forecasts first off
October 16, 2023 at 18:09 #1666927Kinross 9-4. Free bet.
October 18, 2023 at 21:30 #1667112I’m in a forgiving mood so SHAQUILLE is my main bet for this. Clearly something wasn’t right on Haydock Sprint day albeit connections never got to the bottom of it. He’s already beaten KINROSS on softish ground this year and I’m hoping the ‘definitely going to be heavy’ ground is that type of heavy that is fresh enough that the classy ones glide through it.
5/1 is big on what this hoss has achieved this year. Bonkers price.Small bet On BELIEVING 20/1 who was third in that Haydock group 1. Progressing nicely, looks a fair price.
October 19, 2023 at 08:08 #1667129Kevin Blake I think it was coined the phrase ‘Clever Cookie Syndrome’ which came off the back of punters piling into Clever Cookie for one of his group races where the ground turned testing because he loved testing ground but seemingly ignoring the fact he wasn’t good enough even with his ground. I think we’re seeing/have seen Clever Cookie syndrome in action with Vadream in this market. Who on earth is taking 7/1 antepost about Vadream for a Champion Sprint? Its not like the favourite doesn’t like soft ground.
I’ve found the quote for those not in the know:
Before getting into Saturday’s action, it is worth being both aware and wary of what is known as “Clever Cookie Syndrome”. For those who aren’t familiar with it, there tends to be horrendous outbreaks of it whenever heavy rain arrives prior to a high-profile meeting that leads to the ground becoming testing. One of its main ramifications is lighter pockets for afflicted punters.The syndrome manifests itself by convincing people that because the ground has gone testing, they must latch onto horses that are proven on testing ground, even if they have significant improvement to find on the book. This can result in some horses being sent off at truly awful prices that bear no relation to the formbook.
This condition is named after an admirable gelding called Clever Cookie that was sent off at 4/1 for the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes at Ascot in 2015. Clever Cookie is a smashing horse and he sure does love testing ground, but his form before and after that fateful day suggested that he was a 113 horse at his very, very best. He duly ran a noble race in the King George, but finished a well-beaten fifth.
October 19, 2023 at 08:31 #1667132Would facteur cheval in the qe2 come under a clever cookie bet. Ran to 113 behind Paddington in very soft conditions at goodwood. Hasnt run since so will be fresh.
October 19, 2023 at 08:32 #1667133Aesops fables run his best race in the labbaye and can pinch a place if he handles the soft. Only ran on it once and was second so you never know.
October 19, 2023 at 08:38 #1667134Art power has run well a few times on very soft conditions. I can imagine a lot of outsiders shortening with any decent form in soft going. How was the rain at ascot yesterday. Official going Wednesday was good to soft on rhe straight and good to soft with soft in places on the round. If the rain is as bad as they said then best to back your outsiders now before the inevitable withdrawals and the price shortening dramatically. So frustrating where what appeared one of the best champions day fields for a long time could be decimated.
October 19, 2023 at 10:43 #1667141Shaquille a NR.
Kinross could be the most likeliest fav to oblige on the day looking at the racecards and respective opposition atm.
October 19, 2023 at 12:48 #1667156No Shaquille, Slight waste of moolah but attentions turn to BELIEVING, close 3rd in a group 1 sprint last time, progressive and a group winner this season on easy/soft ground. 20/1
October 21, 2023 at 09:40 #1667384£5 free bet on paddy placed on run to freedom 22/1
Also taken the 5/1 om him to finish in the first 3
Which given he was 2nd in the race last year and 2nd in the sprint Cup is a knocking bet imo
October 21, 2023 at 11:06 #1667409I think Mill Stream is a progressive 3yo and has Buick on board.
The things I want most in life are the things that I can't win.
October 21, 2023 at 11:18 #1667412BELIEVING – 22/1 – EW (4 places)
I got 22/1 with Betfred yesterday.
Absolutely love this filly who always gives her best and she will go on the ground. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...October 21, 2023 at 11:20 #1667413Good luck with Believing Chivers Shame about Shaquille .Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...October 21, 2023 at 11:35 #1667417Believing 22s, for me
Added Vadream 10s, this mornOctober 21, 2023 at 13:05 #1667442After putting up Vadream at 25-1, I managed to make a complete horlicks of it, and did not bet him. I could kick myself, and I’ve settled for 12-1
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