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  • #464105
    Gdc1
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    PWise tomorrow is Annie Power, you can still get 14s with Stan James if you want it

    #464115
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    PWise tomorrow is Annie Power, you can still get 14s with Stan James if you want it

    Can’t see that… 10s now?

    #464117
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    Stan James cut her to 10/1 at 20.29.

    #464123
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    Stan James cut her to 10/1 at 20.29.

    " There was clever money for her blah blah blah we could lose millions blah blah blah "

    the usual spiel

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    Stan James cut her to 10/1 at 20.29.

    " There was clever money for her blah blah blah we could lose millions blah blah blah "

    the usual spiel

    They actually then cut her to 8/1 at 20.30 and pushed her back to 10s at 22.32 according to Oddschecker :roll:

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    Stan James are lighter then a anorexic feather cut in half with the stalked pulled out. I once got Toronado’s price blued up with them with a 50p bet each/way. :lol:

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    Interesting that Laddies have pushed the Fly out half a point on the back of this.

    #464138
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    PWise tomorrow is Annie Power, you can still get 14s with Stan James if you want it

    I may end up with Egg on my face here but I think this is a poor selection from ‘Himself’. It seems he’s simply looking for the old ‘value’ chestnut at double odds, but what no-one knows (and maybe even connections have no idea) is what race she’s going for. So if it’s either a choice of two or three races at this stage the odds are divided accordingly. Add to that Ruby will not get off the Fly barring injury, I think this is purely a speculative punt with no real substance.
    My money’s siding with her for the WH on a NRNB basis.

    I think he ought to look at the championship races on a pricewise basis late Oct/early Nov as post christmas most of the trials have been run and the market has taken shape with little value left.
    The Fly at 13/2 just before Christmas was a knocking bet, but of course I can only sound like an after-timer :wink:

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    No egg at all, it really is a pretty ridiculous selection. Strong chance it will not run and if it does strong possibility it will not be good enough. I don’t think anyone should be too surprised though he is always looking for something at double figure odds at the expense of being brave enough to side with something with a much more realistic chance at single figure prices. The sheep will always follow but there is a very good reason why the Racing Post will never print his full ante-post record for the Festival.

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    He’s made the right call in my view. Everything Rich Ricci has said suggests she’ll go for the Champion Hurdle, and she was 14/1 compared with 3/1 The New One which makes no sense. Even allowing for the fact she my not run, her form is at least on a par with his (I’d argue it’s better) and she looks to be improving rapidly.

    Looking at the prices now, I see Bet 365 have pushed Un De Sceaux out to 14/1 NRNB, looks the bet at the moment although I don’t think I’ll be getting involved just yet myself. At current odds I’d be against Jezki and The New One.

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    Paddy Power seems keen to take her on, back out to 12s.

    #464148
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    Paddy Power seems keen to take her on, back out to 12s.

    Not surprising, it is no shorter than what she should realistically be and they get to clean up if she doesn’t turn up.

    Struggling to see how Annie Power has comparable form to The New One. At the distance in question she has one bit of heavy ground form against novices, none of which would entertain hopes of winning a Champion Hurdle.

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    It seems to me that if she runs, it’ll be the owner’s decision, not the trainer’s. Mr Ricci must have been overdosing on Seabiscuit over the festive period – he’s seeing some magical pace in the mare which she simply doesn’t have.

    She’s a stayer, and could well win a Gold Cup, but not a Champion Hurdle.

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    Struggling to see how Annie Power has comparable form to The New One. At the distance in question she has one bit of heavy ground form against novices, none of which would entertain hopes of winning a Champion Hurdle.

    Apart from beating Rock On Ruby, who not for the first time was stuffed on his seasonal reappearance, and Zarkandar (who Annie Power also beat, and more easily at that), The New One’s two mile form amounts to a defeat to My Tent Or Yours in the Christmas Hurdle.

    Annie Power stuffed Defy Logic over two miles and imo that form is top class. They may not be Champion Hurdlers in behind but at the same time they’ve won four Grade 1’s between them since then. She traveled beautifully that day and I think she is far from just a stayer.

    If Annie Power was to race The New One over two miles tomorrow I don’t think there’d be much between them in price, least ways not the chasm in difference that there is now. I know the doubts about her turning up are factored in to this but I’d rather back her at 8/1 NRNB with B365 than The New One at 3/1.

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    THM, she looks to have decent pace on very soft ground. Don’t you think it significant that her most laboured looking performance so far was on good to soft at Ascot? Although well on top at the line, she made hard work of pulling clear from Zarkandar, whereas TNO scooted away from him after idling quite badly and having to kind of reboot himself. And that was at levels. AP was getting 11lbs from him.

    She’s a stunning mare to watch and I love the make of her, but even in the early stages last time – neck straight, almost no head-bobbing, she looked an out and out stayer to my eye. If it’s deep ground in the CH, she’d have a fine chance, but on ‘normal’ CH going, I just cannot see her being in the shake up. Good luck, though.

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    THM, she looks to have decent pace on very soft ground. Don’t you think it significant that her most laboured looking performance so far was on good to soft at Ascot? Although well on top at the line, she made hard work of pulling clear from Zarkandar, whereas TNO scooted away from him after idling quite badly and having to kind of reboot himself. And that was at levels. AP was getting 11lbs from him.

    She’s a stunning mare to watch and I love the make of her, but even in the early stages last time – neck straight, almost no head-bobbing, she looked an out and out stayer to my eye. If it’s deep ground in the CH, she’d have a fine chance, but on ‘normal’ CH going, I just cannot see her being in the shake up. Good luck, though.

    You may well be right Steeple. I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt about that run in that it was her first run of the season, her first trip abroad, her first time on decent ground and her first tie against a seasoned hurdler. There was a lot against her that day and I got the feeling from connections that there was plenty left to work on.

    I would say that Zarkandar is definitely more vulnerable at two miles than two and a half and so it was no surprise to see The New One brush him aside with a smooth turn of foot.

    I would agree with you though that she will be better at further than two miles, and I can’t wait to see her jump a fence :o Would be great to have a serious female Gold Cup contender in two years time.

    Thanks for the luck, but I don’t have much on her and it won’t make much difference to me whether she wins or not, but I think she’ll definitely be in the hunt if she runs :) I’m struggling to split the rest and am in danger of getting splinters in my backside! Hurricane Fly should be clear fav though, I do believe that.

    #464179
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    THM, she looks to have decent pace on very soft ground. Don’t you think it significant that her most laboured looking performance so far was on good to soft at Ascot? Although well on top at the line, she made hard work of pulling clear from Zarkandar, whereas TNO scooted away from him after idling quite badly and having to kind of reboot himself. And that was at levels. AP was getting 11lbs from him.

    She’s a stunning mare to watch and I love the make of her, but even in the early stages last time – neck straight, almost no head-bobbing, she looked an out and out stayer to my eye. If it’s deep ground in the CH, she’d have a fine chance, but on ‘normal’ CH going, I just cannot see her being in the shake up. Good luck, though.

    I would say that Zarkandar is definitely more vulnerable at two miles than two and a half and so it was no surprise to see The New One brush him aside with a smooth turn of foot.

    That’s true but I would suggest that on very soft ground he is just as vulnerable over the longer trip.

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