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It would take a brave man to say there is no way Sizing Europe would not have won this years champion hurdle but for injuring himself.
Cruising at the the thrid last while Katchit and Osana’s jockey were going for home like like their lives dependant on it.
You can see his stride change going to the second last and immediately starts to lose ground the rest we know already.
16/1 is a massive price about the horse am I missing something here?
Has the trainer said he’s going chasing or something or have the bookies lost the plot?
Appreciate any info you have
It would take a brave man to say there is no way Sizing Europe would not have won this years champion hurdle but for injuring himself.
Cruising at the the thrid last while Katchit and Osana’s jockey were going for home like like their lives dependant on it.
You can see his stride change going to the second last and immediately starts to lose ground the rest we know already.
16/1 is a massive price about the horse am I missing something here?
Has the trainer said he’s going chasing or something or have the bookies lost the plot?
Appreciate any info you have
That is a huge price dude, that horse had the race in the bag im telling you(i didn’t back it just watched) t was absolutely pissing it until that point, is it really 16/1 for next year? lol
I agree that he would’ve won Fist but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go novice chasing now.
I wonder if anyone here has ever watched Cheltenham racing before? How many horses have been "cruising" and "had it in the bag" that far out to simply find nothing or get defeated by the hill?
Simple fact is …we will never know
I think 16/1 is huge and have a suspicion that that rests on information that isnt public yet.
Ashkazar at 25/1 looks value. A big strong horse who should strenghthen up still further over the next six months. (They could go straight over fences I suppose)
Pipe Snr said before the Imperial Cup that they think Ashkazar could be Champion Hurdle class.
Thanks guys…… you could be right Clive no way of telling how serious the damage is.
I’ll hang fire but the trainer did say he would run at Leapordstown…… one sign of him going and I will be having some of that 16/1 cos if he scoots in they will cut him to 4/1 fav knowing them…be a great EW bet if we only knew.
I just have a small query about his mental state DJ. Might be wrong but he appeared to be trying to run out at a few of the hurdles in the back stretch at Cheltenham. In a better class of race..and with his resolve being severely tested, he might prove unreliable. Maybe it was just his head carriage. Still I would rather back Ashkazhar at double the price Celestial Halo.
Ive lready had a little go on binocular at 20-1 for next years triumph, I really like the horse, he has an air of class about him. This years supreme novice was run in a pretty good time, considering the ground and I really liked the way Binocular was ccruising off the turn and quickened off it, indeed it was about half way up the hill before captain cee bee outstayed him on the sticky ground, but captain cee bee was always reputed to be a very good big raw horse and looked a good all rounder on the day. Indeed their time was quicker than champ hurdle later in the day.
It is hard to talk about horses who still have to get their rating in the book, but I honestly think on good ground nothing could have coped with binocular on the day.
With the 4yo novice hurdle coming up and Franchoek and Celestial Halo said to be looking at a 2m4f race, Binocular looks certain of a win. If the ground comes up good (which it may after the bad weather we have been having lately) then Binocular could leave them trailing in his wake. Either way his price of 20s should shrink, possibly considerably.
I think the little horse looks to love hurdling and I dont think henderson has even scratched the surface with him, with all his speed, travelling, and battling qualities I think if he comes back next season with improved jumping he will be one of the major contenders for the triumph hurdle, I reckon he will certainly put a few of the current champ hurdle contenders to the sword next season.
I will have to phone ladbrokes later and see if I can get a price on Celestial Halo for the World Hurdle, if he’s 20s or bigger I’ll be very tempted to have a go.
I wonder if anyone here has ever watched Cheltenham racing before? How many horses have been "cruising" and "had it in the bag" that far out to simply find nothing or get defeated by the hill?
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Absolutely true and I agree with you.
This case I think is a little bit different though Sizing Europe didn’t fade or get battled out of it he stopped like he was shot and his jockey immediately looked down as though he knew he wasn’t getting the right feel.
Who’ the slow one this time
25/1 right agter the supreme was on offer and I jumped at it
Suprised to see he is still 20/1
If Nicky henderson genuinly thought he wasn’t going to run at Cheltenham he may just have left a little on him…….if that is the case he must be better than I thought………I stated a thread right after he won his first race "Have we just seen next year champion hurdler" Got a bit of stick for that but if one horse can come throgh the ranks it’s him.Very tough task though and Katchit was an exceptional Trimph winner but Binocular is only 5 and with normal improvement could be a better horse than the year older Mr Cee Bee next year………Eddie Harty is arealdy said he will go for the champion next year so it shows you the class of that race.
Obviously if he’s right Sizing Europe is the one to beat cant say I saw him trying to run out at any hurdles but I was concentrating on the last three hurdles……..In answer to Clive I have seen many horses stop when they hit the hill……..Sublimity was one but no one listened….perhaps they might listen this time when I say no way will Sizing Europe stop his type simply don’t he would stay 2 1/2 miles without a problem IMO.
David said the pipes mentioned that horse that won the Imperial but they already have a super horse for the Champion if they get the silly ideas out their heads.
I watched Osana when he was a young horse the other day….held up and won easily………why they go out there and try and run horses into the ground I have no idea………..old man Pipe got away with it but it doesn’t mean every friggin horse they get does it.
25mph winds and the horses is out there fully exposed must have cost him more than a couple of lengths……not the brightest thing to do.
Would love to see him held up in a high class race to see how he would fair………….waste of time trying it next year as it could be an ever better race than this year..guess time will tell.
Ive lready had a little go on binocular at 20-1 for next years triumph
You mean Champion hurdle right?
16/1 does look massive. Too good to be true, I would expect him to be a third that price.
However, I asked quite a few bookies for a price, and they would not give one. Because it is injured. I get the impression they think it might be something more than a pulled muscle. I am not backing it until I know the result of tests, if everything is A1 then I’d take 10/1 let alone 16’s.Three I have backed are:
Ashkazaar 33/1 (Betfair)
Crack Away Jack 50/1 (Stan James)
Celestial Halo 16/1 (William Hill)
8/1 combined price.Think it will be won by a second season horse again next year.
Ashkazaar possibly went too soon in the Fred Winter, agree with BSB his temperament is a slight worry. Is a good looking horse with flat speed.
Crack Away Jack only carried 2lbs less than Alkazaar and cruised through. If he were trained by Pipe or Nicholls would be less than half that price.
Celestial Halo is a grand looking animal, plenty of improvement in him. It is possible he will need further in time but will probably have enough pace ridden prominently again. Nicholls i am sure would love to have a proper chance of winning the Champion and would only go the stayers route if failing at 2m.
Binnocular was the other under consideration but he does not have the same scope for further improvement the others have. Then again. I said the same thing about Katchit!
GingeValue Is EverythingApparently owner Alan Potts is very keen on sending Sizing Europe chasing next term, so I’d be holding fire on that 16/1. Although I agree it would look absolutely tremendous value without that doubt.
Like some others have said, Ashkazar is the one I like at 25s. He faces a similar worry however, especially with his trainer already possessing a competitive sort in Osana for the Champion Hurdle.
Yeah Dubai Millenium I meant the champion hurdle, didnt even notice I’d put that.
Youve beat me to it Fists….THIS TIME!!!
I would disagree about Celestial Halo and Binocular GT. Celestial Halo is a high quality stayer, his strength is his staying abilty, connections admitted before the triumph that they think he’s a 2m4f horse, hence why he went hairing off in a triumph hurdle on really testing ground and just about held off a win (the fastest 2 mile hurdle of the week I think).
I think Nicholls is too shrewd a trainer to keep him at 2 miles in the hope of poor ground and holding off the champ hurdle contenders next season. I’m sure I read somewhere that they were planning to step him up to 2m4f at aintree. I think if he does step up to 2m4f he will soon emerge as a serious contender for the world hurdle.
I did say before the triumph that in a grind the best three would be CH Franchoek and WITD but I honestly can’t see how CH is really open to much more improvement over 2 miles when he doesn’t look anywhere near speedy enough to be competitive at 2 miles on good ground, he would remain a sitting duck in the top class at 2 miles, he has already been caught out once this season.Binocular on the other hand has bags of scope for improvement at 2 miles, he is inexperienced and hasn’t jumped well on his last two starts (particularly his penultimate start) yet has put in a 138 and a 148 performance, with the sticky ground at cheltenham he never really got the opportunity to play his speed to full advantage but has still travelled well enough to suggest he’s got many strengths to him. Plus the fact that 2 months ago he hadn’t even raced over hurdles and for all his positives he has looked very inexperienced this season compared to his opposition, yet his sheer raw ability has got him through pretty much unscathed. I would look at him and say he has massive improvement in him and he is in good hands to get that improvement from him.
I can’t see Binocular featuring in a Champion Hurdle on his Supreme Novices’ performance, and I don’t think there’s all that much left to work with, so any price for me would be too short. The same is true of Sizing Europe, though much of that rests on the assumption that he will go chasing next season (which was always the plan as far as I know – he jumps far too ‘big’ for a champion hurdler).
Although I’m a Kauto Star fan, and still think he’s better than Denman by a good few pounds, I’ve taken some of the 14/1 about Master Minded for next year’s Gold Cup. It isn’t a massive bet admittedly, but he stayed extremely well over hurdles and is related to horses that stay/stayed in excess of 3m over fences. Given the level of class he has already shown, and the fact that the Champion Chase was as much a test of stamina as speed, it’s a worthwhile risk as far as I’m concerned.
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