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I see the government has come up with a new scheme for combatting cervyikal cancer. We have to assume that this is what was originally known as cervical cancer, but with the new vaccine we get a new name, all packaged up modernly and fresh.
My daughter is 14 and see isn’t getting it. I don’t know anything about this and unless someone can convince me that it’s completely safe, then she isn’t having it. I feel quite strongly about this since the MMR thing and Leo Blair not having it while his Daddy was telling everyone else it was safe.
Dave the "MMR thing" was all down to a discredited scientist who forged his data. There was never any proven link to MMR innoculation and autism. Indeed many families have suffered by not getting their kids treated at the time.
A friend of mine’s boy has autism, it’s not worth the risk.
Tony Blair opted for the single jabs for baby Leo .. if it was perfectly safe why did he do that? How do we know this jab is safe, how much is it costing? Who decided it works and where have they done trials? If it makes my girl sterile or causes brain damage and I have to look after her for the rest of her life, will the government admit that they made a mistake or will they try and descredit any link between the vaccine and subsequent problems?
We reckon she should get it in about 3 years if she wants it herself.
Dave,
I think you are letting your anti-Blair feelings bias your decision on your daughter’s health. The two vaccines/issues are not related. The previous jab was safe and not proven to casue autism.
In 3 years time your daughter will be 17; if, by that time she has become sexually active and most teenagers of that age are, she only needs to have had unprotected sex with someone who is carrying the cervical cancer virus and it will be a time bomb waiting to happen..ok it is very treatable, but not the most pleasant process to go through. as there has been another thread about that guy who has prostate cancer, how many men on this forum wouldn’t hesitate to have a vaccine to prevent that [and believe me a hell of a lot of men do have prostate cancer in later life, also very treatable but not pleasant]. However, I do agree about the amount of vaccinations that people have these days, but we seem to have forgotten what life was like before that…my grandson has just had the mmr vaccine, and, yes, it did worry me, but I’m more worried that he may catch measles, because we’ve forgotten that measles can kill. I understand that in Japan they stopped giving infants the mmr vaccine for several years and it made no difference to the number of children diagnosed with autism, but that doesn’t make it any easier for those that are. I suppose in your case the problem is having to make the decision for someone else, and that’s one of the most difficult parts of being a parent…I’ll see if someone at work tomorrow can tell me more about the vaccine.
A friend of mine has a kid with autism and my missus works with kids with autism everyday. There is a really good chance (99.9%) you would recover from measles autism is for life. I don’t object to her having the vaccine in principal. I would rather just wait for a couple of years and see if there are any horror stories first.
I don’t trust the government to do the right thing for the right reasons.
If it was safe Kevin why didn’t Tony have Leo get it .. you would have thought it would have been like when John Gummer got his kid to stuff her face with a hamburger when they were pretending BSE didn’t exist.
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Dave I am only pointing out the flawed logic. Perhaps Blair was just another parent genuinely scared about the MMR vaccine as were the majority of parents at the time. No conspiracy theory. As it turned out the chap who caused the whole scare was exposed as a fraud who made up the experimental results. Who knows what damage that caused. The truth is that there is no proven link between the MMR vaccine, this new cervyikal cancer vaccine & Autism.
This idea that the government have some strange agenda on the cervyikal cancer vaccine is quite frankly silly. The government just rely on their scientific advisers who are apolitical.
I’m not saying that there’s a conspiracy or anything like that, just is it safe? Wouldn’t it be wiser to wait until everyone else has had it first, say leave it a couple of years and then decide if you should get it.
I have been reading up on this and the clinical trials have covered around 18,000 girls. It’s a course of three injections, it costs £500 and kids are immune to it for five years. I don’t know if they plan to vaccinate them all again after five years, or just those that are sexually active. It doesn’t take a mathematical genius to work out that someone stands to make a fortune out of this.
Are there any statistics or reports of adverse affects of this vacine? I am asking out of total ignorance, but speaking personally if this had been available when I was younger I would have chosen to have it.
I had the MMR when I was in school (late 80’s and early 90’s) and have a mild form of autism.
Do I think it was caused by the MMR innoculation? Possibly
Do I regret having it? No not at all, it makes some things harder for me to do than others but i wouldn’t know the things I know or learn things as quickly as I do or for that matter be as enthusiastic about the things I love if it wasn’t for the AS.
If there’s a link then there’s a link and if not well we just have to live with it and i know as seen from this thread i’m not the only one with autism and at the moment it’s impossible to prove definitively either way.
Perhaps Blair was just another parent genuinely scared about the MMR vaccine as were the majority of parents at the time.
.. my point exactly.
I’m answering this very late, who knows, she’s probably already had the vaccine by now, but I’ll bung in my two cents.
The plain and simple answer is you don’t know for certain if it’s best to have it or not. It’s a gamble. She could have side effects, or she could get cervical cancer. You’ve just got to make the choice that sits right with you and hope you’ve made the right decision.I’m slightly disturbed at your very dismissive attitude towards autism. It’s not a diagnosis of doom. There’s a very wide autistic spectrum and kids can be anywhere along that line. They can be severely affected, they can be mildly affected like Irish Stamp, but it’s not the end of the world. I’ve got a friend who’s son is autistic and he’s a wonderful little boy. Yes he has difficulty with social interactions and speaking, but he’s got a charm that shines through it all, and is as bright as a button.
No-one can says what’s the right or wrong decision sadly, life’s not that simple.
She didn’t get the vaccine and she won’t be getting it either.
Autism, not being all that bad ?!?
Autism’s not all bad. It’s not a disease it’s a medical condition. There are both positive and negative effects to having it depending on how severe it is and how far along the spectrum the person has it.
It’s not like a person will die because of it or will be irrevocably damaged long term due to it.
Yes I have some issues socially, not many just with people I don’t know so well. Nobody can tell I have AS unless I tell them or they’ve studied it etc. and as far as I know my workmates only actually see the positive side of it – ie. the dedication, imense knowledge of certain subjects, etc. and I’ve had dyspraxia since I was a kid too – lots of horse riding and rugby league to help my balance. It won’t get any better now I’m in my early 20’s but I still ride with my old mates from the yard and joke and go out with them whenever I can.
Also great proving people wrong like doctors saying "oh this will be much harder for you than other people" and you feel like going "well if it’s much harder for me they’re getting such an easy ride" etc. – remember being told that I might find it difficult moving around to new places, I love it. I can’t get enough of travelling, lived in Sheffield, London, a few months in Gibraltar and now in Spain since I graduated from Uni 2 years ago.
Anyway what I’m saying is it’s pointless dwelling on the negatives of it all Dave. Women are as far as I know far less effected by autism than men (think that’s right).
Martin
No autism isn’t all bad, as Martin says. If it was your child that had it, you’d love them just the same and be proud of all their achievements in life, whatever they are. At least I hope you would.
i noticed the other day that the man who discovered the HPV virus and it’s link to cervical cancer was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for Medicine.
The crowning glory of his research being the development of this vaccine, 30 years in the waiting.
Just out of a matter of interest Martin, how old were you when you started talking?
A mate of mine’s son is autistic he started talking when he was 9, he’s 14 now. He’s on the severe end of autism condition.
BH you would always love your children no matter what was wrong with them but you wouldn’t throw them under a train to prove you loved them if they had no legs surely. There are 550K people with autism in the UK, some of those are lucky and relate to the world and their surrounding others cannot and never will.
You should read this book ..
The wife had to read this as a part of her course for working with kids with Aspergers syndrome.
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