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  • #1616531
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    Rossa Ryan’s reaction is baffling. He said it is “one of those things that happen sometimes”.

    Really? When was the other time a jockey pushed another rider off their horse in the middle of a race?

    Maybe he is in shock over what actually happened. Or (more likely) it is another case of the Jockeys Union sticking together and one individual not wanting to be seen to cause a fuss.

    If it had happened to me, I would have been straight into the stewards room after I’d “had words” with Soumillon. And if I had been injured I would have been on the phone to my solicitor.

    #1616532
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    This could be quite an embarrassing day for France Galop – if Soumillon wins the opener then Verry Elleegant hoses up an hour later they’ll look a right bunch of “Les Charlies.”

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    I seem to recall it happening to Stephen Craine ( or some irish jockey of that era while riding a race in India I think….long time ago and the details are sketchy in my mind.

    This needs to be a clear ban here. Surely a year is appropriate.

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    #1616636
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    The bloke some were predicting would be being held on remand down The Bastille by now just rode a winner at Longchamp.

    And he beat The Revenant – my day is complete.

    Now, where’s that takeaway menu?

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    “Rossa Ryan’s reaction is baffling”

    Yet again we see the “weighing room culture” bringing the entire industry into disrepute. Seems like the only ones prepared to call out disgraceful behaviour are high profile female riders (3 in England, 2 of whom have complained. Apologies to other excellent and successful female jockeys but we know who the big names are and, sadly, only they have enough protection to call out bad behaviour).

    #1616664
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    I appreciate that ‘jockey’ is a job perhaps unlike any other but it comes back to ‘if I acted like that at work, or someone did that to me at work, what would happen?’.

    I certainly would not be shrugging it off were I the victim. You can stick your ‘weighing room culture’ up your backside.

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    I read it another way.

    For me, it’s bad enough some fella virtually pushes you off your horse without, when you decide to act with quiet dignified restraint about it, getting pilloried for not making the same fuss a female rider apparently would have done.

    Bryony Frost and more recently Hayley Turner were perfectly entitled to speak out after incidents and I support their decision to do so.

    But guess what?

    Rossa Ryan is equally entitled to decline to do so if he so chooses and I support his decision there too.

    It’s bad enough being a victim in the first place, without in addition getting lumbered as a result with some sort of public expectation that you’ll kick up an almighty fuss.

    It’s up to Ryan whether or not he wants to take it further, ditto the owner and trainer.

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    I agree that he can say whatever he wants..but if he is only saying something like that because he feels he shouldnt make a fuss, he is not doing anyone a favour. In fairness, it is not his job to meet out punishment.

    I was never a jockey. Does what Soumi did count as just bad race riding??

    JC

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    #1616672
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    We don’t know if Ryan remains silent because he fears the backlash if he speaks out or because he thinks behaviour that could easily have resulted in his death is acceptable. Either way, he isn’t coming out of this well but I concede that this isn’t his fault. There is something deeply wrong about the way racing is policed. We see it every day on trivial levels but occasionally there are cases that expose the potentially serious consequences of having rank amateurs in charge.

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    I take your point, Tonge, it’s just that I’ve never been a fan of burdening victims of any type with a pressure to act in a particular way in the wider public interest.

    It’s bad enough being a victim in the first place without being lumbered with that on top – it’s adding insult to injury.

    No one should be speculating about whether a victim “comes out of it well” or not.

    As you rightly say, it’s down to the way racing is policed.

    It’s not Ryan’s fault Soumillon only got 60 days and was at liberty to ride a Group winner today, a mere 24 hours later, and could potentially ride the Arc winner tomorrow.

    That’s down to France Galop and their existing rules.

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    The rules of France galop or any racing authority simply aren’t built for something this disgraceful actually happening

    #1616690
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    Forgive ‘n’ forget
    managed to overcome
    and we’ll never forget him.
    Or will we ? I pray to him every night wearing my National slippers. I sometimes find it difficult to get to the bathroom as eight foot slippers can obscure the view and especially difficult if the room is small.

    There is so much going on today it is difficult to focus
    on what’s really important and I suppose the rules of galop France are up there with Liz Truss and the greater beings who decide how we survive.

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    It’s been a lovely thread
    Is it inappropriate to say..
    BYE BYE..

    #1616695
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    “The rules of France galop or any racing authority simply aren’t built for something this disgraceful actually happening”

    This is a very good point.

    The rule makers clearly never envisaged an incident so emotive the best remedy would be to take the offender off the racing stage immediately to prevent the embarrassment of them continuing to ride at a high-profile meeting immediately afterwards.

    Presumably the delay to jockey bans taking effect is to protect innocent connections who’ve booked the rider from having to find an alternative at short notice, but clearly there can be incidents that supersede that notion.

    France Galop have said they didn’t want him riding yesterday and today, even an owner who booked him said it was wrong, but the rules as they stand couldn’t prevent it.

    And Soumillon?

    He just wants to save up for his 60-day holiday (plus mitigate loss of earnings if he loses the Aga Khan job – again).

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    #1616708
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    The crime/incident in question if commited likely twice would produce a terrible outcome probably once,

    Why is it your only in favour of a temp ban and not lifetime ian?

    Would you be arguing this point if he had died or snapped his kneck?

    Now the answer is simply “he didnt” but the point is, he was lucky not to, jockeys have had life altering injuries for far lesser incidents

    for arguements sake here, you need to look at what “could” have happened by committing the offence as opposed to what did happen, the outcome being drastically different was likely a centimetre here and a millimetre there

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    It was a deliberately conducted violent act, in my view he is lucky he wasn’t locked in a cell awaiting a charge of assault or similar.
    One year MINIMUM is what he should have had in my opinion. To hear him yesterday saying sorry with the tagline ‘that’s life’ was really poor.

    #1616720
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    An alternative view from Ruby Walsh: https://www.racingpost.com/news/international/ruby-walsh-its-a-racing-manoeuvre-and-christophe-did-not-get-it-right/581709

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