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- October 10, 2011 at 13:56 #19821
‘Astonishing’ is what the ATR commentator has just called William Buick’s comment that he’d ‘rather finish second than get done under the new whip rules’.
Why is it ‘astonishing’? Buick’s simply saying he’ll be abiding by the rules.
The jockey’s reaction (i.e. they appear to be taking this seriously) is a strong vindication of the BHA’s amendments.
October 10, 2011 at 14:09 #373764It’s astonishing that ATR employs someone who thinks it’s astonishing
October 10, 2011 at 14:22 #373767Presumably he was talking about any race outside of Group 1 level?
Unless he gets demoted from 1st position isn’t any financial penalty virtually irrelevant in these rules?
October 10, 2011 at 14:44 #373769I agree with attheraces, maybe not as strongly as them as they sensationalize things…
For me though it’s wrong when one of the top Jocks in the country is coming out and saying what he did. Maybe not his fault as it’s the new ruling that has made him say that.
Basically what he is saying is this week he won’t be trying as hard as last week to win races.
Is that good for the sport? I personally don’t think it is…
October 10, 2011 at 15:32 #373782
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Basically what he is saying is this week he won’t be trying as hard as last week to win races.
Is that good for the sport? I personally don’t think it is…
That is exactly what he was saying. And I’d be surprised if anyone thinks it’s good for the Sport.
Indeed, until today Buick could doubtless have been done for "Bringing Racing into Disrepute" for even
hinting
at such a strategy.
That’s the confusion into which the rules have fallen today. Better to finish second than to win, if you want a career as a jockey. Trouble is, as things stand, he’s quite right.
October 10, 2011 at 15:48 #373790Will the stewards be able to distinguish between a jockey not trying to win and one settling for second to avoid a whip ban?
October 10, 2011 at 15:49 #373792I suspect all he was saying was he would still try as hard to win but wouldn’t break the rules to do it. Nothing wrong with that.
October 10, 2011 at 15:55 #373793Spot on Kenh – I’m ‘astonished’ that many people who can normally be relied upon to see wood from trees cannot grasp that nothing has changed.
There is no point to having rules unless there are penalties in place which are a sufficient deterrent to breaking them.
It would appear the jockeys are more likely to be sufficiently deterred to breaking whip abuse rules now than was the case in the past and that IS undoubtedly a good thing for the sport.
October 10, 2011 at 16:11 #373797Spot on Kenh – I’m ‘astonished’ that many people who can normally be relied upon to see wood from trees cannot grasp that nothing has changed.
Nothing has Changed
, Really? Have a look at
Wichita Lineman
winning at the festival,you wont see AP McCoy riding like that from now on so i would say Everything has changed,you wont see the flat jockeys suffer anywhere near as much as the jumpers because they dont ride anywhere near as far or have great big obstacles in their way but hey one extra stroke of the whip should suffice.
October 10, 2011 at 16:13 #373798So Wichita Lineman wouldn’t have won – so what?
October 10, 2011 at 16:16 #373800Buick has effectively said he will not break the rules to win at all costs.
An absolutely perfect example to set.
Those who criticise him for making that comment, are effectively saying it is OK to cheat.
In no way does Buick’s comment bring racing into disrepute – the disrepute comes from those who believe winning at all costs is paramount.
October 10, 2011 at 16:20 #373801And, KF, AP has come out and spoken in favour of the new rules.
October 10, 2011 at 16:34 #373807Put in other words Buick effectively said "I won’t cheat to win races".
What’s more astonishing is ATR missing out on someone who was cautioned for whip use whilst effectively attempting to persecute a 7lb claimer for her use of the whip ie. rewinding back 3f to count the number of hits etc.
October 10, 2011 at 16:45 #373810So Wichita Lineman wouldn’t have won – so what?
Er… So you wouldn’t have witnessed what is recognised as the ride of the season thats what and thats what makes horseracing such a thrill to watch, that race epitomises what makes National hunt brilliant!
October 10, 2011 at 16:49 #373814
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So you wouldn’t have witnessed what is recognised as the ride of the season thats what and thats what makes horseracing such a thrill to watch, that race epitomises what makes National hunt brilliant!
You have to understand that BHA are not interested in whether you get any pleasure or excitement from Racing any more.
They are simply interested in you being a docile cash cow. You’d better face up to the fact.
October 10, 2011 at 16:52 #373819There is no point to having rules unless there are penalties in place which are a sufficient deterrent to breaking them.
What are your solutions for red cards in football and murder in real life? They keep happening despite the deterrents in place.
October 10, 2011 at 16:58 #373826EC – …and bans for Whip Mis-use will continue despite the deterrents. But, with the new rules, the ‘scale’ of mis-use
should
be diminished.
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